In defense of accommodationism

science and religionA recent essay I wrote for The Philosophers’ Magazine online has, predictably perhaps, generated a minor storm (well, more likely a tempest in a teacup, but still). The piece is what I thought amounted to a mild, substantive criticism of a well reasoned piece by independent philosopher Russell Blackford, entitled Against accommodationism: How science undermines religion. Russell, in turn, was reviewing (very, very positively) the latest book by biologist and New Atheist Jerry Coyne, Faith Versus Fact: Why Science and Religion Are Incompatible. I am a known critic of New Atheism (though myself an atheist) so I figured I’d add my two cents once again.

I have not read Jerry’s book, and I don’t have any intention to read it. I’m sure it is well written and well argued, but my time is currently devoted to projects that I think are more fruitful than atheism and the criticism of religion. That is why my TPM essay was carefully crafted as a response to Blackford, not Coyne. To attempt the latter without having read the book would have been intellectually dishonest.

I began by defining accommodationism: having being accused a number of times of being an accommodationist (a word ominously reminiscent of “collaborationist,” but maybe I’m just paranoid), I think I have a sense of what Blackford, Coyne, and others are reacting to. These authors think that science undermines religion, and that if someone (like me) claims that that is actually not the case (with a huge caveat to come in a minute), then that someone is an accommodationist. And very likely he is also intellectually dishonest, unnecessarily deferential to religion, politically expedient, or all of the above.

I then went into a discussion of Stephen Jay Gould’s (in)famous NOMA (for Non Overlapping MAgisteria) principle, according to which science and religion are “separate magisteria,” one concerned with matters of fact and one with matters of value. Blackford rejects NOMA, and so do I, for reasons I explain in the TPM article.

That said, however, it is simply a gross misreading of the history and meaning of religious practices to claim (as many New Atheists do) that the main business of religion is, or even has been, the production of cosmogonies, thus trespassing into the territory of science. Sure, the Old Testament talks about the origin of humanity in terms of Adam and Eve, while Hindu texts tell us that the world is cyclically created and destroyed every 8.64 billion years. But so what? Even philosophy, early on, made cosmogonic claims, and science has definitely shown than Thales of Miletus was wrong when he thought that the world is made of water. By Blackford’s reasoning, science has also undermined philosophy, then. Except that it hasn’t, because science itself originated from that murky past, eventually becoming the field of human inquiry that is best equipped to tell us how heaven goes. Ever since, both serious philosophers and serious theologians (and a huge number of common religious people) simply got out of that same business.

What, however, is the case is that religions are about ethical teachings and questions of meaning (and providing a sense of community and a social network). Whether those ethical teachings are sound, or the answers provided to the issue of meaning satisfying, needs to be assessed depending on the specifics. But such assessment is a matter of philosophical discourse, and perhaps of human psychology, certainly not of natural science.

I also believe that there is no logical contradiction between accepting all the findings of modern science and believing in a transcendental reality (even though I don’t myself believe in it, for what I take to be sound philosophical reasons). Which is why lots of intelligent people, including lots of scientists, do in fact accept science and believe in a transcendental reality.

Now back to Blackford’s take on Coyne’s book. The first revelatory point comes from this quote: “Note, however, that [Coyne] is concerned with theistic religions that include a personal God who is involved in history. (He is not, for example, dealing with Confucianism, pantheism or austere forms of philosophical deism that postulate a distant, non-interfering God.)”

By why not tackle religion in general? After all, the title of the book is Faith vs Fact (a generic “faith,” not a particular one), and the subtitle refers to “religion” in general, not just the highly qualified version that turns out to be the actual target of Coyne’s critique. Ignoring the smell of a bait and switch, however, even “a personal God who is involved in history” is far too ambiguous a statement. Is there any credible evidence that God performed miracles during recorded human history? Not really, but we have known that since David Hume, no need to deploy the might of modern science to establish that. The fact is, however, that contemporary theologians don’t spend a lot of time talking about miracles, and often speak of God as working through the laws of nature that He established to begin with. How on earth would a scientist test that hypothesis?

Here is a second highly indicative quote from Blackford: “Coyne makes clear that he is not talking about a strict logical inconsistency. Rather, incompatibility arises from the radically different methods used by science and religion to seek knowledge and assess truth claims.”

Ah, so it turns out that science and religion are, in fact, logically compatible (not sure why the clause “strict” is necessary here, something either is or is not logically consistent with something else).

Blackford continues: “religions have seemingly endless resources to avoid outright falsification.” On the one hand, this is, I think, a category mistake: since the primary goal of religions is not to seek truths about the natural world, the very idea that their statements ought to be falsifiable is weird. Imagine if I said that I don’t think the death penalty is ethically defensible (which is not the same as asking whether “it works” on pragmatic grounds), and you asked me for a falsifiable experiment that could prove that. I wouldn’t know what to tell you, other than that you are hopelessly confused about what I just said.

On the other hand, however (and here comes the huge caveat promised above), some “religious” claims are eminently falsifiable, and have, in fact, been falsified. Think the earth is a few thousand years old? Well, much evidence from geology, biology, chemistry, physics, and astronomy clearly and unequivocally falsifies your “theory.” If your religion insists in telling you the contrary, then your religion is wrong and its claims about the natural world have, in fact, been falsified.

Finally, let me add a few words on the nature of science, which is a major point of running dispute between myself and the New Atheists. Again from Blackford’s review: “[Coyne] favors a concept of ‘science broadly construed.’ He elaborates this as: ‘the same combination of doubt, reason, and empirical testing used by professional scientists.’” But this has it exactly backwards, historically speaking: it is modern professional scientists that use that same combination of doubt, reason and empirical testing that Homo sapiens has been using since the Pleistocene, and that has made us the dominant species on planet Earth (for good and, mostly, for bad, as far as the rest of the biosphere is concerned). To refer to the application of basic reasoning and empirical trial and error as “science” is anachronistic, and clearly done in the service of what I cannot but think is a scientistic agenda.

Indeed, Blackford himself, at some level, realizes the absurdity of Coyne’s “broad construction” of science, but confines his comment to a parenthetical statement: “From another viewpoint, of course, the modern-day sciences, and to some extent the humanities, can be seen as branches from the tree of Greek philosophy.” Exactly.


 

Postscript: both Coyne and Blackford have responded to my critique. Predictably, both have deployed a significant amount of sarcasm, of which I’m happy to be the continued target. I can take it as much as I can dish it out.

Nonetheless, I would like to point out that, as much as there is a lot that reasonable people can reasonably disagree about here, I was honestly struck and somewhat taken aback by the viciousness of Russell’s personal attack on me, which I will leave readers to peruse and judge for themselves.

Luckily, I simply don’t care. I have learned long ago that one doesn’t write this sort of things (mine or theirs) in order to convince one’s alleged interlocutor. We all write for a broader public, not to change each other’s mind. Which, ironically, reminds me of my time in the ’90s debating creationists: I knew I had no chance in hell to get through Duane Gish or Ken Hovind, but I thought it was worth trying to reach those sitting on the fence. Cogitate on that, for a minute…

158 thoughts on “In defense of accommodationism

  1. David Ottlinger (@DavidOttlinger)

    Massimo,

    I just read the responses. I know you have your stoic resolve but I also want to remind you that there are those of us out there who appreciate your honesty and sophistication on these issues which are rare enough in this debate. In spite of these ridiculous, really shameful responses I do hope you stick your head out now and again and address these issues.

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  2. Daniel Kaufman

    Thomas Jones: Yeah, as you know, I just posted an essay, one of whose main points is that adults are as immature — or more so — than children. (In case others are interested: http://theelectricagora.com/2016/01/25/middle-aged-punk/) This Blackford anecdote will now get added to my mental list of examples of adults behaving worse than toddlers.

    Poor Blackford also seems blissfully unaware of how many philosophers, far smarter and more influential than him, are and have been theists. But he’s manning the barricades for truth, justice, and something or other, so never mind all that. Or decency either. After all, “the truth” justifies all sins, right?

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    EJ Winner wrote: “I think the whole question of whether science per se is incompatible with religion per se is simply boring. It is littered with category mistakes, conflicting interpretations, and unacknowledged motivations.”

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    Bingo! Well said. And you can see the category errors repeated in Coel’s most recent post (God is a scientific hypothesis and that sort of thing). No point in arguing the point, though, as we all know how that’ll go.

    Re-reading Blackford’s post, the nastiness and the personal quality of it are so strong, so putrid, that I’m surprised TPM published it. I certainly wouldn’t have, and as I said before, Blackford is fortunate that he chose so decent and reasonable a person such as Massimo for his chosen pissoir, as opposed to others who might have publicly eviscerated him, which would be very easy — and enjoyable — to do.

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  3. Massimo Post author

    michael,

    “I am pretty much in agreement with Massimo on this, but it is not entirely one-sided; there is plenty of obfuscation all around”

    An accommodationist, especially if it is an atheist — as in my case — need not be construed somehow as a “defender” of religion, and even less so as “anti-science.” I dislike obfuscation and muddled thinking across the board…

    Thomas,

    “let me say that Blackford does himself no favor by spending paragraphs defending his use of the modifier “celebrity” and his defense of it is disingenuously overwrought. Of course most readers will agree with Massimo that it suggests a smear tactic”

    Glad you noticed. It was so glaringly obvious to me that I asked Russell about it in a brief private exchange we had after the incident. He said he used the phrase in the same sense as “celebrity chef.” Which to me simply confirmed that he either was disingenuous or he truly does;’t understand standard English usage. Of course “celebrity chef” is not an insult, but celebrity paleontologist is, precisely because the two words are never used together except sarcastically. “Well know paleontologist” would have been appropriate.

    Robin,

    “OK, so a particular agnostic biologist had a bad idea. Let’s get over it and remember him for the good stuff he did.”

    Right? But Blackford “accuses” me of agreeing with him about NOMA! As if agreeing with him on that specific point somehow licenses the sort of scientism he is defending.

    David,

    ” I also want to remind you that there are those of us out there who appreciate your honesty and sophistication on these issues which are rare enough in this debate”

    Truly appreciated, thank you.

    Dan,

    “Re-reading Blackford’s post, the nastiness and the personal quality of it are so strong, so putrid, that I’m surprised TPM published it”

    I was a bit dismayed too. But what the hell.

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  4. SocraticGadfly

    Possible recommended, related reading, on the whole subject of secularism, and specificially, from America’s POV, the rise of secularism in the Victorian era on the other side of the pond.

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  5. brodix

    The irony here is that if Blackford and presumably Coyne did deeply consider the conceptual differences between Eastern and Western philosophies/religions, they might better understand how what has been largely a western led scientific revolution is deeply influenced by the linear, object oriented assumptions built into this view and that had the scientific paradigm emerged from an eastern tradition, there would be a much deeper appreciation for the balance of elements, rather than a focus on singular objects and entities and processes emerging from their behavior. From atomism to the singular universe of Big Bang theory.

    I realize I’ve raised these issues before and there is little interest in exploring them, but this debate essentially between a singular deity, versus a singular universe, seems far more parochial than anyone is willing to consider.

    One can only wonder how long these same debates will continue, before there is a recognition they are occurring in a conceptual cul-de-sac.

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  6. Nanocyborgasm

    I think what may be the conflict here is that Massimo is arguing about theology on principle while his opponents argue it on what the general regards as its popular acclaim. The general theological “authorities” long ago dismissed their religion’s conflict with science as being hopelessly impossible to win, abandoned it, and have since been subtracting from their theology as many scientific claims as necessary while retaining what they regard as their prerogative– to teach and investigate moral responsibility. That has not prevented rival movements from sprouting up — Fundamentalism — whose notions have permeated Western society anew and which, on the contrary, will outright reject any science that is incompatible with their rigid views.

    Of course, it is only because many theologies have quietly de-emphasized certain supernatural claims that religion can claim any relevance at all. I myself doubt even its morality, such as it is grounded upon faith that is unchallengeable.

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  7. Daniel Kaufman

    Nancy wrote:

    “Of course, it is only because many theologies have quietly de-emphasized certain supernatural claims that religion can claim any relevance at all.”

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    Seems to me that what might be “relevant” to you might not be to someone else and vice versa. After all, what’s “relevant” like what’s “interesting” is subjective.

    As for morality being “grounded in a faith that’s unchallengeable” that may be true of some versions of religion, but certainly not all. It certainly isn’t true of mine, Reform Judaism, which is the largest denomination of Judaism in the US.

    I also would deem your claim that Fundamentalism has “permeated Western society” to be wildly overstated. Europe is almost entirely secular. And while Fundamentalism certainly has a grip on the Republican party, it onlyl represents about 27% — hardly “permeating.”

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  8. michaelfugate

    I did not intend to accuse Massimo of obfuscation – as I said I agree with him on this issue. I see people who do practice scientism where they define all knowledge as science. It is a broadening of science and a delimiting of knowledge. It is also in part an attempt to ally science and atheism. I also see people who use scientism to promote religion using the proposition that since science doesn’t own all knowledge, religion/theism owns some knowledge. Many mainstream science organizations have championed this view.

    In one sense this could be taken as dueling physicists misusing philosophy – some to promote atheism and some to promote theism. You might want to look at this book to see the theist side: Hutchinson, Ian. Monopolizing Knowledge: A Scientist Refutes Religion-Denying, Reason-Destroying Scientism. Belmont, MA: Fias Publishing, 2011. Which I think is self-published, but has been highlighted at BioLogos and DoSER (AAAS).

    Can anyone direct me to a source that list types of knowledge? Is science a type of knowledge, if so what are all the others? Also for the types of knowledge, can you provide a source for methodologies? I have asked several philosophers about this, but have never gotten a good answer.

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  9. SocraticGadfly

    Per Dan on fundamentalism, indeed, isn’t either the fear that, or the fact that, fundamentalist versions of Islam are less permeating the Muslim world than before part of what drives reactionary movements there? That said, in India, the rise of the BJP in politics indicates that fundamentalist Hinduism may be fighting a similar battle, appearing to win, but maybe not.

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  10. jorgelaris

    Massimo, I feel that the distinction you made in one of the commentaries between religion and ideology is fundamental to appreciate your argument.

    I have all sort of confusing actitudes towards religion. In the one hand, I live in a place were more than 80% of the people is Catholic. I have experience participating in the LGTB movement in my city and it is fairly notorious that religious elites are the must interested in stopping and blocking our political progressive agenda.

    Another example, the new Pope has this weird agenda of re-popularizing exorcisms… And it is working! Nowadays exorcisms are a common topic of discussion in many reunions and I find that quite annoying.

    Finally, in doing research for my thesis I was astonished to see how close the religious elite was to the economic elite in my country 150 years ago. And that hasn’t change much! For these reason I see The Church (thats how we call the Catholic Church in here) to be a big synical organization.

    For all of the above it is hard for me to simpatize with religious people. Must of the time they are conservative and scientific unliterate.

    Nevertheless, I understand your point, I also know A progressist cleric in my city, some of the people in the LGTB movement are religious, some religious people I’ve met don’t believe in exorcisms and are scientifically literated and even in 1870 the must prominent scientist in here was Catholic (although he rejected evolution, but you know, it was still a controversial topic).

    Maybe the aggressiveness of some atheist towards religion is due to a confusion between religion and conservativess, and scientific unliteratutre, and with ideology. It is not a fortuitous confusion, because there exist a strong correlation between those variable in many cases. But correlation doesn’t mean causation in this case, we can have religious progressist and ideological atheist. Maybe you can craft a more appealing discourse to a wider audience of atheist by showing them that you understand were their anger towards religion emerges.

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  11. Daniel Kaufman

    jorgelaris wrote:

    Maybe the aggressiveness of some atheist towards religion is due to a confusion between religion and conservativess, and scientific unliteratutre, and with ideology.

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    This is exactly right.

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  12. ejwinner

    Massimo,

    Re-reading your post, this caught my eye:

    “Imagine if I said that I don’t think the death penalty is ethically defensible (…), and you asked me for a falsifiable experiment that could prove that. I wouldn’t know what to tell you, other than that you are hopelessly confused about what I just said.”

    You may vaguely remember an essay I submitted to Scientia Salon, and then withdrew because I wasn’t satisfied it was finished. I later published it in several parts on my blog. It involved the ‘free will/determinism’ debate that was lively at the time. More specifically, in the final part ( https://nosignofit.wordpress.com/2015/01/16/arguments-for-compatibilism-5-politics-andor-philosophy/ ), it concerned an incompatabilist argument that Coyne had advocated, developed by cellular biologist Anthony Cashmore (and submitted as a *scientific* paper to the Procedures of the National Academy of Science), arguing the following:

    1. Science shows us that events in the universe are causally determined (in the strict sense of cause), from the quantum level to the behavior of human beings.

    2. Since human behavior is pre-determined by physical processes beyond our control, it follows that we are not “personally” responsible for our actions.

    3. This being the case, it follows that redress of criminal behavior ought not engage retributive sanctions but (and this is somehwat interpretive, because Cashmore’s text is somewhat opaque on the point) treated psychiatrically (ie., chemically?) – although psychiatrists would not be involved in the evaluative process of judgment, since psychology plays no part in the causal process of behavior.

    Extending this into the question of capital punishment, the Coyne-Cashmore response might be: ‘physics; chemistry, biology – science!’ And the experiments suggested would probably come out of neurosciences, reductive ethology, certain streams in genetics.

    The failure of reasoning here, the lack of connective integration between analysis and proposal, is glaring. There is no necessary reason we should accept Cashmore’s prognosis, even should we accept his diagnosis. Even if criminals are not responsible for their behavior, there’s no reason not to kill them – shoplifters and mass-murderers alike – without triggering some ethical principle, or at least a sentiment. I see neither in Cashmore’s argument, or in Coyne’s advocacy of this. Materialist determinism, even if accepted, really has nothing to do with our ethical choices, or our responses to those of others.

    I haven’t read Coyne’s book either; but reading reviews on the internet this evening, it’s fair to say that it’s probably more an argument for scientism than an argument against religion.

    I’ve glanced over Coyne’s response, and its comment thread – which frankly was often disgusting (PZ Myers would be proud). (& Coel, you should be ashamed.)

    Harkening back to a previous disussion, Coyne’s anti-philosophy sycophants are not any kind of humanists that I could recognize, let alone respect.

    The New Atheists helped young atheists in the past; now they are making it harder to be an atheist publicly – and harder to trust science as well.

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  13. Robin Herbert

    The evidence in Coyne’s book seems a bit shoehorned. For example blaming religion for climate change denial. And the whole vaccination thing – he writes as though religion has been equally on both sides of this, and yet seems to rely heavily on White, for example. But really, is that fact that some preacher wrote an anti vaccination sermon in 1798 really evidence? Coyne himself thought nothing of serving on the advisory board of Project Reason with a prominent anti-vaxxer, lending him respectability.

    I am wondering why it was necessary to contrive evidence for his case in such a short book. Was real evidence in such short supply?

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  14. Coel

    Hi Massimo,

    Of course “celebrity chef” is not an insult, but celebrity paleontologist is, precisely because the two words are never used together except sarcastically.

    When someone is disagreeing, they often have a tendency to read something less charitably than the author intended. The phase could well have been intended neutrally. A quick Google shows that that *most* instances of the phrase “celebrity paleontologist” are not sarcastic and indeed are laudatory (it’s easy to check, there aren’t that many of them).

    E.g.: “The western discoveries made Marsh America’s first celebrity paleontologist, his exploits reported in newspapers like the Tribune and the New York Times. Marsh’s celebrity culminated when Huxley raved about his toothed birds in an influential 1876 series of pro-Darwin lecture in New York”. (Neptune’s Ark, 2007, David Rains, University of California Press.)

    Hi michael,

    Why for instance would atheists and atheist organizations want to emulate religions …

    As a rule they don’t. Nearly all atheist organisations are campaign groups aimed at political and social policy such as church/state separation, equal rights for the non-religious, and things like religious influence against assisted dying laws, advocating for the right to a humanist marriage, and advocating for free speech and against blasphemy laws.

    If you read Coyne’s book, the theology bashing is only part — what he’s then interested in is the effects on society. For example he highlights children who are denied medical care because their parents prefer to pray instead, and the scandal of many state laws in the US that exempt such parents from child-neglect laws.

    Hi Robin,

    And if a lot of non religious scientists continue to like the NOMA idea, as Blackford says, then surely that is a criticism of non-religious scientists and not of religion.

    Yes. And thus such as Coyne regularly criticise, e.g., NAS and NCSE for promoting the “politically correct” doctrine on NOMA. (I’m not sure why you regard this as “puzzling”.)

    Hi Socratic,

    I’m still interested in what you think are the “fundamentals” of “fundamentalist atheism”.

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  15. Robin Herbert

    Coel,

    I don’t get what you don’t get about my puzzlement about the obsession atheists have with this idea.

    In particular, I am puzzled that anyone would think that a daft idea that some atheists and agnostics have cooked up among themselves is evidence that religion is incompatible with science. I mean surely this evidence goes quite the other way.

    But actually I have a much higher opinion of non religious scientists than you, (or Coyne or Blackboard) and nine of these dark accusations of supporting NOMA ever seem to come with a link to anyone actually supporting NOMA.

    So I suspect that few, if any people actually support this principle.

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  16. Coel

    Hi Robin,

    In particular, I am puzzled that anyone would think that a daft idea that some atheists and agnostics have cooked up among themselves is evidence that religion is incompatible with science.

    It’s not! Those arguing for incompatibility *reject* NOMA.

    But, those arguing for compatibility often adopt a NOMA-like strategy.

    E.g. Declaring matters of “God” to be “supernatural” or “metaphysical” and thus off limits to science. Or declaring religion to be not about “facts” but about “meaning” and “ethics” and declaring those off limits to science. Or distinguishing between “how” questions and “why” questions, and declaring the latter off limits to science. If you want an example of one of these strategies here’s one by the National Academy of Sciences.

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  17. Coel

    Hi Robin,

    And here’s another NOMA-like strategy, this one from a religious perspective, trying to separate science and religion into different domains:

    “Borrowing an example from the Rev. John Polkinghorne, there is more than one answer to the question of “Why is the water boiling in the tea kettle?” The scientific answer might be “the water is boiling because at this temperature it undergoes a phase transition from liquid to vapor.” Another acceptable, though nonscientific, answer is “the water is boiling because I put the kettle on the stove.””.

    Personally I don’t see anything the slightest bit unscientific about that second answer. If we were, instead, to talk about a chimpanzee stripping leaves off a branch for the purpose of fishing termites, would Polkinghorne still want to label that unscientific, or is this just human exceptionalism?

    That link then tries the usual “supernatural” claim, which is again a NOMA-like strategy.

    “Science cannot answer the question “Does God exist?” … But science studies the natural world, not the supernatural. … The claim that “God exists” is a metaphysical one, not a claim about nature …”

    The fact that such NOMA-like strategies don’t actually work, because religions *need* to get involved with facts, doesn’t alter the fact that this is a common attempt to accommodate religion.

    [Note that if “God exists” is meaningful and distinguishable from “God doesn’t exist” then it is a factual statement about nature; that is, unless you want to make that statement entirely apophatic and metaphorical [metaphor for what?], in which case the whole thing evaporates into a set of Aesop-like fables.]

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  18. Robin Herbert

    “It’s not! Those arguing for incompatibility *reject* NOMA.

    But, those arguing for compatibility often adopt a NOMA-like strategy.

    You appear to be contradicting yourself here. Gould was an agnostic, right? And as you have just been claiming that there are a number of non-religious scientists who support the idea too. So in other words it is a squabble among the non-religious community. I don’t know of any religious figures who have made this claim. Even the Pope explicitly ruled the idea out.

    And, actually you have not linked anybody yet who supports the idea of NOMA. Instead you have this notion of “NOMA like strategies” which could mean just about anything.

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  19. Disagreeable Me (@Disagreeable_I)

    Hi Massimo,

    I’m pretty much on the side of Coel, Coyne and Blackford.

    I don’t think Coyne is talking specifically about Abrahamic religions. He is talking about any religions that make truth claims about the supernatural and that emphasise faith or revelation as paths to knowledge. It just so happens that in the modern era, Abrahamic religions perhaps best exemplify this.

    But not all Abrahamic religions. Dan Kaufman for instance practices an essentially atheistic or naturalistic form of Judaism which is about values and tradition and community rather than the supernatural. Unitarians too might have their origins in Christianity, but have largely let the truth claims go. These religions though vaguely Abrahamic are not Coyne’s target. He would not consider them to be religions at all in his language (and I think that’s fair enough — religion is not an easy term to define while keeping everybody happy, so it seems fair to let Coyne define it as he does for the sake of communicating his ideas).

    Buddhism is targeted insofar as it makes claims about the supernatural — Chinese Buddhistm in particular seems to be basically polytheistic in that it treats various Buddhas as deities to be prayed to and so on.

    On the other hand religions that emphasise ethics and behaviours over truth claims (e.g. Confucianism) are OK, but when they do veer into the territory of making factual claims that’s when anti-accommodationism objects.

    Nobody would say that having a religiously inspired value system or the practising of traditional rituals is incompatible with science. Insofar as religion acts in these roles alone, that’s not Coyne’s problem — that is until moral precepts are justified by appeal to the supernatural (e.g. God hates fags or the soul enters the foetus at conception). Coyne also would have no problem with religions which encourage or promote evidence-based truth searching.

    No, the problem anti-accommodationists have with some religions is that they put value in other “ways of knowing”, other “paths to truth”. The issue is not religion per se, but any tradition that teaches children to believe things just because their ancestors or some other authority says so, to treat faith without evidence as a virtue, or to accept revelation as evidence. I think Coyne et al would have just as much a problem with secular ideologies that share these traits with religion, for instance Stalinism. The point is to oppose any tradition that is antithetical to the methods of rationality Coyne thinks of as “science” and you think of as “scientia”. Religion is largely just a shorthand for this because it is the pre-eminent exemplar of it in modern Western society. But, more than this, religion deserves to be targeted in particular (more than, say, homeopathy) because it has such a special place. It is by convention held to be off-limits. There is no such thing as homeopathy-accommodationism, which is why there is no need for books criticising homeopathy-accommodationism.

    Furthermore, unlike Coel, I would say that the very idea of the supernatural is incompatible with science and that the supernatural is not something we could study with the scientific method. Something that is supernatural is something that is intrinsically incapable of being understood. If ghosts or gods or demons really did exist, and if we could study them and learn how they worked, then they would have to be part of the natural world, because the natural world is just the world about us that we can see and learn about — the world that is real and makes sense. The supernatural is almost by definition something which doesn’t exist, or at least something which cannot be understood. So when religions make claims about the supernatural, they are basically saying “this stuff exists and it doesn’t matter that there is no evidence for it and there’s no point trying to prove or disprove it”. That is intrinsically anti-science.

    So you may be right that the roles of religion in culture and ethics and so on are perfectly compatible with science. But the paths to truth emphasized by many religions and the factual claims they make are often not, and this is the point. Insofar as religions are guilty of this, and only to that extent, they are indeed incompatible with science. Accommodationism is to my mind giving them a pass, refusing to challenge them when they ought to be challenged, and that is why I think the gnus are right to oppose accommodationism.

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  20. Coel

    Hi Robin,

    And, actually you have not linked anybody yet who supports the idea of NOMA.

    That’s because religious accommodationists don’t support strict NOMA. What they do is claim something NOMA-like when it suits them (e.g. claiming that religion is about “supernatural” or “meaning” or “morality” or something else that they then want to place beyond the remit of science), but because full-blown NOMA is unpalatable to them they then also have religion making factual claims when it suits them. The result is an inconsistent fudge. That sort of fudge is all over the Biologos site that I just linked to.

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  21. Robin Herbert

    Hi Coel,

    [Note that if “God exists” is meaningful and distinguishable from “God doesn’t exist” then it is a factual statement about nature; that is, unless you want to make that statement entirely apophatic and metaphorical [metaphor for what?], in which case the whole thing evaporates into a set of Aesop-like fables.]

    That is not something with which I would disagree, I assume you meant it as a general comment rather than being addressed to me.

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  22. Robin Herbert

    Hi Coel,

    I meant that you have not linked anyone, religious or otherwise, who supports NOMA. I could say that “Why Evolution is True” is a NOMA like strategy, for a broad enough definition of “NOMA like”

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