Philosophy’s PR problem — II

postmodernism[for a brief explanation of this ongoing series, as well as a full table of contents, go here]

Why is this happening?

We now need to explore the reasons for this bizarre internecine wars between the two disciplines if we wish to move on to more fertile pursuits. As it happens, there are, I think, a number of potentially good explanations for the sorry state of affairs of which the above was a sample. Moreover, these explanations immediately suggest actionable items that both scientists and philosophers should seriously consider.

There are three recurring themes in the science-philosophy quarrels when seen from the point of view of the scientists involved, themes that we have encountered when examining Weinberg, Krauss and Harris’ writings. The three themes are:

(i) A degree of ignorance of philosophy, and even often of the history of science.

(ii) Fear of epistemic relativism, which is seen as undermining the special status of science.

(iii) A (justifiable) reaction to (some) prominent philosophers’ questionable writings about science.

Let’s begin with (i). While clearly an appreciation of the history and philosophy of science is not a requirement to obtain a PhD in the natural sciences (whether it should be is a different issue to be set aside for another day, but see for instance, Casadevall 2015), it is not difficult to find scientists who are conversant in those allied disciplines. The degree to which this is true varies with discipline, time, and even cultural setting. For instance, physicists have historically been more sensitive than other scientists to philosophical issues, but in recent decades the explosive growth of the philosophy of biology has prompted a number of biologists to initiate fruitful collaborations with philosophers to address issues such as species concepts (Lawton 1999; Pigliucci 2003), whether there are laws in ecology (Wilkins 2009), and others.

However, physicist Lee Smolin (2007), in his The Trouble with Physics laments what he calls the loss of a generation for theoretical physics, the first one since the late 19th century to pass without a major theoretical breakthrough that has been empirically verified. Smolin blames this problematic state of affairs on a variety of factors, including the complex sociology of a discipline where funding and hiring priorities are set by a small number of intellectually inbred practitioners. Interestingly, one of Smolin’s suggested culprits for what he sees as the failures of contemporary fundamental physics is the dearth of interest in and appreciation of philosophy among physicists themselves. This quote, for instance, is by Einstein, cited in Smolin’s book:

“I fully agree with you about the significance and educational value of methodology as well as history and philosophy of science. So many people today — and even professional scientists — seem to me like someone who has seen thousands of trees but has never seen a forest. A knowledge of the historical and philosophical background gives that kind of independence from prejudices of his generation from which most scientists are suffering. This independence created by philosophical insight is — in my opinion — the mark of distinction between a mere artisan or specialist and a real seeker after truth.” (Albert Einstein)

This is certainly the proper territory of historical and sociological analysis, but there is enough prima facie evidence in the literature to suggest that a number of prominent scientists simply do not know what they are talking about when it comes to philosophy (and particularly philosophy of science). I am not sure how this could be remedied (other than through the unlikely imposition of mandatory courses in history and philosophy of science for budding scientists), but at the very least one could strongly suggest to our esteemed colleagues that they follow Wittgenstein’s famous advice (given, originally, in quite a different context): Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

Moving on to point (ii) above, it concerns the so-called “science wars” of the 1990s and early 21st century, Sokal affair and all included. There is no need to rehash the details of the arguments and counter-arguments here, as even books that purport to be fair and balanced (Labinger and Collins 2001) end up containing a sizable amount of what can only be characterized as sniping and counter-sniping. But — at the cost of some simplification — it may be useful to summarize the extreme positions as well as what should instead be agreed to by all sensible parties, in the hope of providing a reference baseline that can be used to argue in favor of a mutually agreeable cease fire.

On the one hand, the extreme postmodernist position (or, at least, the caricature of postmodernism that is lampooned by scientists like Sokal, Weinberg et al.) is the idea that science is largely or almost exclusively a social construction. Arguably the most infamous summary of this view is from Harry Collins (1981): “The natural world has a small or non-existent role in the construction of scientific knowledge.” When one actually checks the original paper, however, it is not entirely clear whether Collins himself endorses this view or whether he simply mentions that some scholars embrace a fully relativistic take on science (in the endnote to that quote Collins seems to think that sociologist of science David Bloor and some of his colleagues do). Be that as it may, that position — whether explicitly held by anyone, implied or hinted at — is nonsense on stilts. The natural world very much plays a large (though certainly not completely determining) role in the construction of scientific knowledge.

On the other hand, the extreme scientific realist position is supposed to be that sociological and psychological factors have next to nothing to do with the actual practice of science, the latter being an activity essentially independent of culture. As Weinberg (2001) put it: “Even though a scientific theory is in a sense a social consensus, it is unlike any other sort of consensus in that it is culture-free and permanent.” But, again, read in context this strong statement by Weinberg is qualified by his acknowledgment that there are indeed components of scientific theories (which he calls “soft”) that are not, in fact, permanent, and moreover there are both psychological and sociological factors at play during the shaping of scientific theories. That said, no scientist should seriously hold to the idea that science is a purely data-driven enterprise relentlessly moving toward eternal objective truths, so that we can safely relegate that view also to the heap of fashionable nonsense.

What then? It seems obvious — but apparently needs to be stated explicitly — that a serious account of how science actually works will take on board the mounting scholarship in three distinct yet related fields: history, philosophy and sociology of science. To simplify quite a bit: history of science is in the business of reconstructing the actual historical paths taken by various scientific disciplines, their empirical discoveries, and their theoretical outputs; the aim of philosophy of science is to examine the logic and epistemic aspects of scientific practice, indicating both why it works (when it does) and why it may occasionally fail; and sociology of science is interested in the analysis of the social structure internal to the scientific community itself, to see how it shapes the way scientists think, how they determine their priorities and why entire fields move in certain directions that may be underdetermined by epistemic factors. Scientists are, of course, free to simply ignore the history, philosophy and sociology of their own discipline, as they can get along with their work just fine without them. But they are not free — on penalty of being charged with anti-intellectualism — to dismiss those very same areas of scholarship on specious ground, such as that they undermine the authority of science, or that they do not contribute to scientific progress.

Lastly, (iii) above is the area where, unfortunately, scientists do in fact have good reasons to complain. It is certainly the case that, from time to time, professional philosophers — indeed, highly visible luminaries of the field — engage in questionable and somewhat badly informed writing about science, ending up not helping the image of their own discipline. Two recent examples will suffice to make the point: Jerry Fodor and Thomas Nagel.

Fodor is best known as a philosopher of mind, and is indeed someone who has engaged very fruitfully during his long career with cognitive scientists. One of my favorite gems from his extensive collection of publications is the little booklet entitled The Mind Doesn’t Work That Way (2000), his critical response to Steven Pinker’s (1997) presentation of the computational theory of mind in How The Mind Works. However, more recently Fodor (2010) co-authored a book with cognitive scientist Massimo Piattelli-Palmarini, provocatively entitled What Darwin Got Wrong, and therein the trouble began (Pigliucci 2010; see also — among many others — reviews by: Block and Kitcher 2010; Coyne 2010; Godfrey-Smith 2010; Lewontin, 2010; Richards 2010).

My own take on their effort is that Fodor and Palmarini made a mess of what could have been an important contribution, largely by misusing philosophical distinctions and misinterpreting the literature on natural selection. They are correct in two of their assessments: it is the case that mainstream evolutionary biology has become complacent with the nearly 70-year-old Modern Synthesis, which reconciled the original theory of natural selection with Mendelian and population genetics; and it is true that the field may need to extend the conceptual arsenal of current evolutionary theory (Pigliucci and Müller 2010). But in claiming that there are fundamental flaws in an edifice that has withstood a century and a half of critical examination, they went horribly wrong.

Their argument against “Darwinism” boils down to a two-pronged attack. First, they assert that biologists’ emphasis on ecological, or exogenous, factors is misplaced because endogenous genetic and developmental constraints play a crucial part in generating organic forms. Second, they argue that natural selection cannot be an evolutionary mechanism because evolution is a historical process, and history is “just one damned thing after another” with no overarching logic.

The first claim is simply a distortion of the literature. The relative importance of natural selection and internal constraints has always been weighed by biologists: molecular and developmental biologists tend to focus on internal mechanisms; ecologists and evolutionary biologists prefer to address external ones. But even Darwin accepted the importance of both: in The Origin of Species, his “laws of variation” acknowledge that variation is constrained, and his “correlation of growth” implies that organismal traits are interdependent.

Fodor and Palmarini misappropriated the critique of adaptationism (the idea that natural selection is sufficient to explain every complex biological trait) that Stephen Jay Gould and Richard Lewontin presented in their famous “spandrels” paper of 1979. Gould and Lewontin warned about the dangers of invoking natural selection without considering alternatives. But Fodor and Palmarini grossly overstate that case, concluding that natural selection has little or no role in the generation of biological complexity, contrary to much accumulated evidence.

In their second line of attack, the authors maintain that biological phenomena are a matter of historical contingency. They argue that generalizations are impossible because of the interplay of too many local conditions, such as ecology, genetics and chance. In their narrow view of what counts as science, only law-like processes allow for the testability of scientific hypotheses. Thus, they claim, an explanation of adaptations that is based on natural selection is defensible in only two cases — if there is intelligent design, or if there are laws of biology analogous to those of physics, both of which they (rightly) reject. Fodor and Palmarini ignore the entire field of evolutionary ecology, countless examples of convergent evolution of similar structures in different lineages that show the historical predictability of evolutionary processes, and the literature on experimental evolution, in which similar conditions consistently yield similar outcomes. There clearly is a logic to evolution, albeit not a Newtonian one.

Evolutionary biology is a mix of chance and necessity, as French biologist Jacques Monod famously put it, in which endogenous and exogenous factors are in constant interplay. It is a fertile area for rigorous philosophical analysis. But Fodor and Palmarini passed a good chance to contribute to an important discussion at the interface between philosophy and science, ending up instead by offering a sterile and wrongheaded criticism. This is unfortunately the very sort of thing that evolutionary biologists can legitimately complain about and lay at the feet of philosophy — and they have, vociferously.

The second example concerns Thomas Nagel, another philosopher of mind, perhaps most famous for the highly influential and beautifully written “What is it like to be a bat?” (1974), in which he argues that science is simply not in the business of accounting for first person phenomenal experiences (“qualia”). But even Nagel couldn’t resist the anti-Darwinian temptation, as is evident from his Mind and Cosmos (2012). Unlike Fodor’s relatively narrowly focused attack on the biological theory of evolution per se, Nagel’s broadside is against what he characterizes as the “materialist neo-Darwinian conception of nature,” as the subtitle of the book clearly advertises. The problem is that it is hard to see who, exactly, holds to such conception, or what, precisely, this conception consists of. Nagel, for one, doesn’t say much about it, frankly admitting that a great deal of what he is reacting to can be found in popular (i.e., non-technical) accounts of science or the philosophy of science. (Again, plenty of detailed reviews available, including: Dupré 2012; Leiter and Weisberg 2012; Carroll 2013; Godfrey-Smith 2013; Orr 2013.)

Nagel appears to aim at two targets: the sort of theoretical reductionism advocated by physicists like Steven Weinberg, and the kind of Darwin-inspired naturalism defended by Dan Dennett. But Weinberg’s reductionism has precisely nothing to do with Darwinism, “neo-” or not, and it is arguable that Dennett (1996) — who does think of “Darwinism” as a “universal acid” corroding some of our most cherished beliefs about reality — would agree with Nagel’s characterization of his own position.

Concerning the first target, it is noteworthy that — as Leiter and Weisberg (2012) point out in their review of Nagel’s book — most philosophers do in fact reject the kind of crude theoretical reductionism that Nagel is so worked up about. (That said, perhaps it is the case that many scientists hold to that sort of reductionism, and/or that it is beginning to permeate popular perceptions of science. But these are claims that one would think need to be heavily substantiated before one launches into their debunking.)

Nagel’s second attack, against naturalism, is more interesting, but also seriously flawed. His two basic objections to what he calls “neo-Darwinian” naturalism are that: (a) it is counter-intuitive to common sense; and (b) there are examples of objective truths that cannot be explained by the theory of evolution. The only sensible reaction to (a) is a resounding “so what?” Much of science (and philosophy) runs counter to commonsense, but that has never provided a particularly good reason to reject it. (b) is more intriguing, but Nagel’s defense of it is ineffective. His two examples of objective truths that escape the explanatory power of neo-Darwinism are moral and mathematical truths. I actually agree, but it is not clear what this will purchase. To begin with, there are several accounts of ethics that are not based on the idea that moral truths are objective in any strong, mind-independent sense of the term (Campbell 2011). I, for one, think that ethics is a type of reasoning about the human condition, not a set of universal truths. One begins with a number of assumptions (about values, about facts concerning human nature) and derives their logical consequences, with things getting interesting whenever different assumptions (about values, for instance) inevitably come into conflict with each other. Of course, much more can be said about meta-ethics and ethical realism, but I have to refer the reader to the several excellent reviews of Nagel’s book listed above.

Nagel’s point about mathematical truths is interesting, as a number of mathematicians and philosophers of mathematics do lean toward a naturalistic version of mathematical Platonism (but see my rejection of it for the purposes of this book in the Introduction), and there are serious arguments in its favor (Brown 2008; Linnebo 2011). But the claim that natural selection cannot possibly explain how we can “grasp” mathematical truths is rather simplistic. Not only is natural selection not the only explanatory principle in evolutionary biology. It, for instance, likely cannot explain the variety of human languages either, without this implying that the existence of complex and multiple idioms somehow is a blow to evolutionary theory, to naturalism or whatever. It is also easy to imagine alternative explanations for our mathematical capacities, such as that a rudimentary ability to entertain abstract objects and engage in arithmetics was indeed of value to our ancestors, but that it is cultural evolution that is primarily responsible for having built on those flimsy basis to the point of allowing (some, very few of) us to, say, solve Fermat’s Last Theorem.

The point is that, when Nagel builds a very tentative edifice, from which he then launches into bold claims such as “in addition to physical law of the familiar kind, there are other laws of nature that are ‘biased toward the marvelous,’” one could see why scientists (and other philosophers) begin to roll their eyes and walk away from the whole darn thing in frustration.

All of the above said, however, it would be too facile to point to such examples as somehow representative of an entire discipline and on that basis automatically dismiss the intellectual value of said discipline. After all, in the first half of this chapter I singled out individual scientists and criticized them directly, without thereby implying in the least that science at large is therefore a thoughtless exercise, nor that scientists as a group hold to the same debatable attitudes characteristic of the likes of Weinberg, Krauss, & co. The problem of course is that all the authors mentioned so far — on both sides of the isle — are also known by, and write for, the general public. They are therefore in the unique position of doing damage to public perception of each other’s disciplines. So, let us simply admit that some scientists can write questionable things about philosophy just as some philosophers can return the favor in the case of science. But also that this does not license declarations of the death or uselessness of either discipline, and that the intellectually respectful thing to do is to seriously engage one’s colleagues across the isle, or — lacking any interest in doing so — simply keep one’s keyboard in check, once in a while.

Overcoming Philosophy’s PR problem: The next generation

What can be done in order to help philosophy out with its PR problem, other than attempting to educate some prominent physicists and perhaps gently nudge toward retirement those senior philosophers who suddenly begin to write about the evils of “Darwinism”? As it turns out, quite a bit has been done already by a number of colleagues, although the main focus so far has been on improving the field’s reputation with the public, not as much with other academics. I will briefly mention three such ventures because they are precisely the sort of thing that has helped science with its own similar issues in the past, and because they have the potential to make philosophy once again the respected profession that it was at the time in which all of Europe was enthralled by the dispute between Hume and Rousseau (Zaretsky 2009). Well, closer to that level than it is now, anyway.

The first development of note can actually be pinpointed to a specific date: on May 16, 2010 the New York Times, arguably the most prestigious newspaper on the planet, started a blog series devoted to philosophy, called The Stone. The series is curated by Simon Critchley, who is Chair of Philosophy at the New School for Social Research in New York. At the moment of this writing The Stone is still going strong, with dozens upon dozens of posts by a number of young and established philosophers, each generating vibrant discussions among New York Times readers and more widely in the blogo- and twitter-spheres. As it can be expected, the quality of the essays published in this sort of venue varies, but — snobbish sneering and misplaced nitpicking by some elderly colleagues notwithstanding — The Stone is an unqualified good for the profession, as it brings serious and relevant philosophy to the masses, and the masses are clearly responding positively.

Secondly, a number of publishers have began to offer series of books generally referred to as “pop culture and philosophy”: OpenCourt, Wiley, and the University Press of Kentucky are good examples. It used to be that if you were a layperson interested in philosophy you could do little more than read yet another “history of Western philosophy.” Now you can approach the field by enjoying titles such as The Big Bang Theory and Philosophy (referring to the television show, not the cosmological theory), The Daily Show and Philosophy (featuring the comedian Jon Stewart, seen as a modern day Socrates), and The Philosophy of Sherlock Holmes, among many, many others.

The last new development of the past several years in public understanding of philosophy that I wish to briefly mention is the phenomenon of philosophy clubs. They go under a variety of names, including Socrates Café, Café Philosophique, etc. In New York City alone, where I live, there are a number of successful groups of this type, a couple of which count over 2000 members, having been in existence for close to a decade. And they are by far not isolated cases, as New York is not an exceptional location (from that perspective anyway). Similar efforts have been thriving in many other American and European cities, and I don’t doubt the same is true in yet other parts of the world. There just seems to be a hunger for philosophy, and not just the “what is the meaning of life?” variety: there are cafes devoted to continental philosophy, to individual philosophers (Nietzsche is ever popular), even to reading and discussing specific philosophical tomes (often Kant’s). It is absolutely puzzling that Universities, and particularly their continuing education programs, haven’t figure out how to tap into these constituencies. Very likely they are not even aware of the existence and success of such groups.

As in the case of The Stone and of the “philosophy and…” book series, far too often I hear professional philosophers dismissing philosophy clubs, or looking down on those who spend time contributing to it. Let me be clear: not only is such an attitude snobbish and unjustified, it is self-defeating. Every academic field needs to remind the public of why it exists, why funding it is a good thing for society, and why students should bother taking courses in it. This is a fortiori true for an endeavor like philosophy, too often misunderstood by colleagues from other fields, and constantly in need of justifying its own existence both internally and externally to the academy. But as I said, the good news is, things are changing, because the snobs retire and the new generation sees involvement with the public as necessary, fruitful and, quite frankly, fun. But fun doing what, exactly? What is philosophy, really? To that question we turn next.

References

Block, N. and Kitcher, P. (2010) Misunderstanding Darwin. Boston Review, March/April.

Brown, J.R. (2008) Philosophy of Mathematics: A Contemporary Introduction to the World of Proofs and Pictures. Routledge.

Campbell, R. (2011) Moral epistemology. Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, (accessed on 11 October 2012).

Carroll, S. (2013) Mind and Cosmos. Preposterous Universe, 22 August.

Casadevall, A. (2015) Put the “Ph” Back in PhD. Johns Hopkins Public Health, Summer 2015.

Collins, H. (1981) Stages in the Empirical Programme of Relativism. Social Studies of Science 11:3-10.

Coyne, J. (2010) The improbability pump. The Nation, 22 April.

Dennett, D. (1996) Darwin’s Dangerous Idea: Evolution and the Meanings of Life. Simon & Schuster.

Dupré, J. (2012) Mind and Cosmos. Notre Dame Philosophical Reviews, 29 October.

Fodor, J. (2000) The Mind Doesn’t Work That Way. MIT Press.

Fodor, J. and Piattelli-Palmarini, M. (2010) What Darwin Got Wrong. Farrar, Strauss & Giroux.

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Godfrey-Smith, P. (2013) Not sufficiently reassuring. London Review of Books, 24 January.

Gould, S.J. and Lewontin, R.C. (1979) The spandrels of San Marco and the Panglossian paradigm: a critique of the adaptationist program. Proceedings of the Royal Society of London, B205:581-598.

Labinger, J.A. and Collins, H. (eds.) (2001) The One Culture?: A Conversation about Science. University Of Chicago Press.

Lawton, J.H. (1999) Are There General Laws in Ecology? Oikos 84:177-192.

Leiter, B. and Weisberg, M. (2012) Do You Only Have a Brain? On Thomas Nagel. The Nation, 3 October.

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Orr, H.A. (2013) Awaiting a new Darwin. The New York Review of Books, 7 February.

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Richards, R.J. (2010) Darwin tried and true. American Scientist May-June.

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Zaretsky, R. (2009) The Philosophers’ Quarrel: Rousseau, Hume, and the Limits of Human Understanding. Yale University Press.

167 thoughts on “Philosophy’s PR problem — II

  1. Robin Herbert

    Some very good points here. The Nagel book was an extreme disappointment. I hadn’t actually expected to be convinced by it, but I had expected to be challenged.

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  2. brodix

    Which is to say that science has ridden a several centuries long wave of success and doesn’t quite appreciate this dynamical process applies to them as well. While those more indoctrinated into the vicissitudes of life(philosophical) understand the only difference between big waves and small waves is one of scale and magnitude, not dynamics.

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  3. Disagreeable Me (@Disagreeable_I)

    Hi Massimo,

    Nice article, as always (I’m sorry I sometimes forget to say that, focusing too much on disagreements). In particular, I like what you said about philosophy clubs. I am involved in one myself (we had a discussion last night about Sam Harris’s ‘Free Will’) and find it rewarding and a great outlet for my burning need to argue about this stuff.

    Most of my disagreements with you here have been well-rehearsed at this stage, so I won’t get into them again. I’ll just note without argument or exposition that I’m more impressed by Pinker than by Fodor in their disagreement (quelle surprise!). Pinker’s a guy I find I generally agree with.

    > That said, no scientist should seriously hold to the idea that science is a purely data-driven enterprise relentlessly moving toward eternal objective truths

    OK, but I actually think it’s possible to view science as an enterprise driven by data, personal ambition, prejudice, etc, but which is all the same relentlessly moving toward eternal objective truths in a sort of roundabout way. I do think we are asymptotically approaching an accurate description of nature even if there are a few hiccups along the way.

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  4. Robin Herbert

    The only thing I have read from Simon Critchley is his 6 parter on Heidegger, and that makes him, for me, part of the PR problem.

    If there is anything at all to understand in Heidegger, it is something that will forever be beyond my reach. With something like quantum field theory, I can at least see the path towards understanding it, indeed I have made some small progress towards this.

    But with Heidegger, I don’t know what I would have to learn first in order to make those words comprehensible to me. I can’t even make sense of Critchley’s exposition of it.

    He seems to be saying that Heidegger’s point is something ilke that we should make the most of our lives because we are going to die. Good advice, certainly, but it seems a little lightweight for what he claims is the most important work of Continental philosophy in the 20th century.

    Here is part of Critchley:

    This results in a hugely important and seemingly paradoxical thought: freedom is not the absence of necessity, in the form of death. On the contrary, freedom consists in the affirmation of the necessity of one’s mortality. It is only in being-towards-death that one can become the person who one truly is. Concealed in the idea of death as the possibility of impossibility is the acceptance on one’s mortal limitation as the basis for an affirmation of one’s life.

    So, there is nothing morbid about being-towards-death. Heidegger’s thought is that being-towards-death pulls Dasein out of its immersion in inauthentic everyday life and allows it come into its own. It is only in relation to being-towards-death that I become passionately aware of my freedom.

    Some people may be able to parse a paragraph like that, but I can’t. Phrases like “the person who one truly is” or “an affirmation of ones life” or “”immersion in inauthentic everyday life” sound like the trite commonplaces of self help books.

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  5. SocraticGadfly

    Massimo, you noted the book has dual audiences. I think this section has explained well the PR problem philosophy has with the world of natural sciences and scientists. That said, does this generally parallel its PR problem with the general public, or is that founded on different issues.

    (And sorry for oversimplifying a bit in my last comment on the previous post; thanks for using that as a transition to here.)

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  6. synred

    :”The only thing I have read from Simon Critchley is his 6 parter on Heidegger, and that makes him, for me, part of the PR problem.”

    I’m glad to see philosophers have trouble with Heidegger too. When I tried to read him for philosophy class, I thought he must be deep and me stupid. I later decided he was BS.

    And he was a Nazi!

    He’s certainly part of the PR problem.

    After visiting Dachau I read some Edith Stein. Not as bad as Heidegger, but a got the impression there might be something there, if you went back and learned the jargon.

    Anyway her story is compelling.

    A Phenomolgist philosopher who becomes a Carmelite Nun. Can anything be father apart?

    She was critical of Heidegger. The Nazi killed her.

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  7. synred

    I wonder if Catholic schools do a better job of introducing students to philosophy. At Santa Clara ‘History of Philosophy’ or some related course was required and not just for Catholic students. I wonder if they still require philosophy.

    The Jesuits were reasonably objective too, presenting non-religious philosophies like the Stoics as well as Augustine and Aquinas.

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  8. dbholmes

    Hi Massimo, I believe history and philosophy of science should be required for science majors, and I don’t think it would hurt to have it in high school (indeed that would be my preference).

    That said, my master’s program had a required history/philosophy of biological sciences course and most people were angry they had to take it. Not because it was bad but because they just were not interested. “Why would I need to know this?” I started getting the feeling Einstein had in the quote you gave.

    And so the question is raised if that ends up backfiring by making some scientists even more resistant to history/philosophy out of spite with the added (mistaken) belief they now “know” history/philosophy of science.

    “Yeah I took a course in that… it was stupid and a waste of time!” Nevermind that they didn’t bother investing themselves in it.

    Do you have ideas to get around that kind of problem?

    Also, there are “journal clubs” for every science department I know of, usually with required attendance at the graduate level. Is this not true for philosophy?

    I agree it seems a bit odd for philosophy departments to be dismissive of outside philosophy clubs rather than utilizing them for outreach. Unless… do some professors feel they act as competition? After all if someone can get out of a club for cheap what they would get from a university class for much more… why advertise/legitimate the “competition.”

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  9. synred

    https://aeon.co/essays/does-earth-have-a-shadow-biosphere?utm_source=Aeon+Newsletter&utm_campaign=60912bfe67-Daily_Newsletter_13_April_20164_13_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_411a82e59d-60912bfe67-69000965

    Here is a philosopher trying to contribute to science.

    If biology can happen twice on one planet, it must have happened countless times on countless other planets. But most of our scientific methods are ill-equipped to discover a shadow biosphere. And that’s a problem, says Carol Cleland, the originator of the term and its biggest proponent.

    The idea came to Cleland, a philosopher at the University of Colorado at Boulder, when she spent a sabbatical year at the Centro de Astrobiología in Spain. She was studying the scientists, who were studying microorganisms\

    ‘Shadow’ biology seems an unlikely prospect and would require extraordinary evidence, but it seems worth think about.

    Only one example has always been the statistical flaw in the Drake equation and the hunt for life elsewhere. We only know the probability for life is not zero, but it could be very small and we’d still see it because or observation is biased by our existence.

    Of course, this wouldn’t help with the probability of intelligent life.

    Still good PR for philosophy.

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  10. brodix

    Having the chance to actually read it, the thought comes to mind; What is the problem? It seems those making the most outrageous arguments stir up the most responses and commentary. If no one went overboard and said completely silly things, how would we really know what silly arguments are? Would Massimo have a reason to write this book?
    Yes people do become rigid in their thinking, or carry debate points to absurdity, yet that is part of the dynamic. If we ever did reach the point where every issue was resolved and we were all possessed of a Godlike understanding of reality, it would be the big flatline.
    Does philosophy have a PR problem? Given the philosophy clubs mentioned, apparently not at the moment, but things go in cycles. Especially philosophy.

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  11. Patrice Ayme

    A lots to chew on here. Let’s notice that Weinberg’s distortions of the history of science are deliberate. He basically says ‘history is written by the victors’ and proceeds to flaunt the victory of his tribe.

    It’s as if he wanted to prove the worst enemies of science right. The end result is that, differently from Smolin’s excellent book, Weinberg’s book is surprising only by his biases. (For those who have acquired a reasonable knowledge of, say, undergraduate physics.)

    The philosophy of physics is not taught for the following reasons:

    1) It gives headaches to the ‘shut up and calculate’ school. Here is an example: the ether. The ether was what the electromagnetic radiation was supposed to wave in. Discoveries and theories from Michelson-Morley to Poincaré, showed that the ether was not behaving as expected. Poincaré was cautious. Others, after Einstein, declared the ether dead… But then Einstein admitted his own general Relativity brought back the ether.

    If all this was taught, students will no doubt “waste” lots of time pondering the ether, or, more generally, what does space really mean?

    The ‘shut up and calculate’ school wants to avoid this.

    Similarly, around 1200 CE, the top fanatical thinkers of the church covered themselves with ridicule when they pondered how many angels could hold on the head of a pin. The Many Worlds/Multiverse idea is similar, but much worse, thus much more ridiculous. ‘Shut up and calculate’ professors would not appreciate being turned into derision.

    I could go on and on. Reciprocally, refurbishing the Liar Paradox, by then 25 centuries old, immediately gave Gödel First incompleteness Theorem (and the notion of provability, and its distinction from the notion of truth).

    This is not an outlier event: reconsidering what came to be known as “Archimedes Axiom” provided us with Non Standard Analysis (which made rigorous Leibnitz’s infinitesimals). Archimedes Axiom was unobserved for 23 centuries (it was hidden in plain sight as if it were self-obvious. It was not.)

    2) Teaching history of science correctly would have the surprising consequence of revealing that deep thought works best. That is, philosophically oriented thinking. Philosophical thinking, when worthy on an historical scale, is always abrasive for the established order. This would not please the 1% model of universities, where those who have rich parents, or those who tolerate the rich parents system, are the ones most funded.

    To correct the stasis of theoretical physics (which is real, as Smolin points out), one needs to teach beyond senseless computations. But giving sense to computations is hard.

    Equations are abstractions of thought systems. An equation does not just create a world of thought. A world of thought creates an equation.

    Worlds are born from history. How they were born and grew up matters. And who, and what influenced them. Systems of thought are creatures, the abstract essence of real biological systems. They develop tendencies, spirit and psychopathy, as living beings do.

    All fields of human thoughts, including science and philosophy, are not just tribal, they are alive. Knowing their psyche is of the essence.

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  12. Coel

    Hi Massimo,

    … quarrels when seen from the point of view of the scientists involved, themes that we have encountered when examining Weinberg, Krauss and Harris’ writings.

    I thought you didn’t regard Harris as a scientist (on which I would agree)? 🙂

    … one of Smolin’s suggested culprits for what he sees as the failures of contemporary fundamental physics is the dearth of interest in and appreciation of philosophy among physicists …

    I don’t find Smolin convincing here. The problem is simply the lack of data inconsistent with the current models. The “standard model” of fundamental physics has been so successful that no known laboratory data is inconsistent with it. History shows that it’s very hard for physicists to make major advances with no guidance from data as to how to do it. Essentially, the laws of physics governing the everyday world are already known. The prediction and then detection of the Higgs Boson showed that the standard model of particle physics works very well, and the prediction and then detection of gravitational waves from colliding black holes showed that our model of gravity works very well.

    To find data that are not explained, and which will point to better models, requires going to even higher energies (which is why the possible 750-GeV signal at CERN’s LHC is arousing such interest), or going to cosmological scales, where things are much harder to study.

    Hi dbholmes,

    I don’t think it would hurt to have [philosophy of science] in high school (indeed that would be my preference).

    You’d have a big argument over which versions to teach! For example, issues such as whether science can deal with the supernatural, or must adopt metaphysical naturalism, are highly controversial. Of course one could teach all versions.

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  13. Massimo Post author

    DM,

    “Nice article, as always (I’m sorry I sometimes forget to say that, focusing too much on disagreements)”

    Thanks, much appreciated. I assume that you, Coel, and others I regularly disagree with still appreciate my work and that’s why you keep coming. That, or you guys are incredible logo-masochists!

    ” I’ll just note without argument or exposition that I’m more impressed by Pinker than by Fodor in their disagreement (quelle surprise!). Pinker’s a guy I find I generally agree with.”

    Not surprisingly. I don’t agree a lot with Fodor, and in fact I’m on record delivering some harsh criticism to him concerning his unfortunate What Darwin Got Wrong book. But I find Pinker almost as unappealing, though for different reasons.

    Socratic,

    “you noted the book has dual audiences. I think this section has explained well the PR problem philosophy has with the world of natural sciences and scientists. That said, does this generally parallel its PR problem with the general public, or is that founded on different issues.”

    Good question. I don’t think the two are unrelated, given that scientists are the priests of the modern era (for better and for worse, I don’t mean that to be a wholly negative statement). But of course the more I study the history of philosophy the more is clear that it has always had PR problems, at the least since Socrates and Epictetus. Then again, it has survived and even thrived despite them, so perhaps there isn’t that much to worry about…

    synred,

    “I wonder if Catholic schools do a better job of introducing students to philosophy”

    They do. And so do public high schools in a number of European countries, Italy included.

    Regarding Catholic schools, a few years ago I was visiting Notre Dame University, talking to the Chair of Philosophy there. He remarked that they have the largest philosophy department in the country, and that’s without counting the theologians.

    I asked him how they managed that. He said, simple, we are a Catholic institution, we simply *require* every student to take a minimum of two philosophy courses before graduation. That’s what happens to the humanities when one ignores “market” trends and associated BS that our public administrators are so fond of. And of course this was advice coming from a prestigious, and thriving, *private* institution.

    “Here is a philosopher trying to contribute to science”

    Carol is a friend and good colleague. Yes, she is one of a number of examples, and it would be oh so nice if we all just stopped bickering and focused on the positive stuff that is happening under our very nose.

    db,

    “so the question is raised if that ends up backfiring by making some scientists even more resistant to history/philosophy out of spite with the added (mistaken) belief they now “know” history/philosophy of science.”

    Yes, I’m aware of that. Then again, anecdotally, I also know of a number of science graduate students who were very glad they were forced to take a course in the history and philosophy of science. See comment above: I don’t buy the idea that students are “customers” to whose every whim the university or the faculty has to cater. You want to be in my prestigious science program? Good, then you take a history and philosophy class, and if you don’t like it it’s because you are insufficiently sophisticated. That’s why we are here: to educate you.

    “there are “journal clubs” for every science department I know of, usually with required attendance at the graduate level. Is this not true for philosophy?”

    Not were I have been, it is usually left to individual faculty, or even groups of students. Unfortunately, I may add.

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  14. michaelfugate

    Elliott Sober also has useful reviews of Nagel and Fodor/Piattelli-Palmarina .
    http://sober.philosophy.wisc.edu/selected-papers

    One thing that I see as a potential issue – and we have seen it in the comments here – is the whole God thing. It is hard to cover much ground without it coming up, but it is also hard to remain objective.

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  15. SocraticGadfly

    Massimo, thanks. I was thinking that you might tackle some of the “public sector” PR problems for philosophy, other than progress/progress measurement ones, when you got to X-phil or something.

    Pinker? I think that Massimo’s problems with him, like mine, are Pop Ev Psych related.

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  16. synred

    Coel:

    I read Smolin’s book. While I don’t like string theory because it gives us experimentalist little to ‘shoot at’, I think he is too harsh. And he has his own agenda which is not a lot more predictive.

    I think the reason for the drought is not the fault of strings, cut instead we are victims of our own success.

    We’ve done the easy stuff, both experimentally and theoretically, What’s left is harder. It will take awhile.

    String obsession isa symptom of our lack of progress, not its cause.

    I’m not sure how philosophy can help. Perhaps an experimental suggestion like Popper? Something we can actually do for less than the cost of 10 aircraft carriers?

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  17. synred

    I found Notre Dame still requires two philosophy courses as you say. Santa Clare seems to have gone soft.

    Harvard and Stanford have some philosophy, but seem hesitant to mention it my name. University of Chicago to, though in there requirements pdf you can find it by searching.

    -Arthur

    Philosophy ‘great courses’ seem to be cheap. I guess it reflects the ‘market.’

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  18. Patrice Ayme

    Coel: The Standard Model addresses less than 5% of mass-energy. It has no clue about Dark matter and Dark Energy. It’s problematic. Galaxies with 98% Dark Matter were apparently discovered recently.

    Moreover, the explanatory schemes of gravity and the Standard Model are very different. Gravitational waves (predicted first by Poincaré) are hard to reconcile with Quantum Physics.

    Thus, I hold not only the truths Smolin brandishes, but I go beyond: we have never encountered a situation when, clearly, most of the universe is blatantly unexplained by physics. Theoretical physics has been pretty much stagnant (the Higgs field idea dates from the early 1960s), the greatest stagnation in 4 centuries as Smolin wrote (and I concur).

    Meanwhile experimental physics and astronomy has been advancing. Dark Matter and Dark Energy are great discoveries. Nowadays, astronomy is glorious, theoretical physics, a parody.

    No wonder top theoreticians utter sheer non-sense about philosophy. Non-sense is what most of them do, they are fully trained that way.

    The “unification” which the Standard Model provides with addresses mostly very high energy physics, and the higher the energies, the more irrelevant to everyday physics. And the human world.

    Everyday physics, biology uses all day long. Yes, it is low energy physics. Yet, it is a mystery. Indeed, every process which is small enough, or low energy enough, is the fruit of a Quantum computation… About which we do not know enough to be able to reproduce them (that would be called a full Quantum computer).

    Let me insist: philosophically, one could suggest that the Big Bang is a justification for obsessing about ever higher energy physics.

    Low energy physics, thus the Quantum Interpretations, do not need any contrived boom-boom in the night to justify its interest. Biology uses Quantum Physics all day long, and we do not understand how (except in one particular, but crucial case, chlorophyll).

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  19. Coel

    Hi Patrice,

    The Standard Model … has no clue about Dark matter and Dark Energy.

    Agreed, but it’s a lot harder to study stuff if you can only detect its effects on kiloparsec scales. The fact that there is no Earth-scale, laboratory data that is inconsistent with the standard models is the main reason for the difficulty in going beyond the standard models.

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  20. Robin Herbert

    Hi Coel,

    “You’d have a big argument over which versions to teach! For example, issues such as whether science can deal with the supernatural, or must adopt metaphysical naturalism, are highly controversial. Of course one could teach all versions.”

    I have never really heard of the philosophy of science concerning itself with that matter except as a fringe issue – but even so, the fact that there might be open questions in a subject does not imply that there are different versions.

    We don’t say that a disagreement about whether string theory is a better answer than standard QFT implies that there are different versions of physics.

    If this did come up in a classroom exercise then maybe it would surround whether or not ‘natural’ and ‘supernatural’ are meaningful categories or whether they are useful or superfluous to scientists.

    Actually, when I was in high school we did do a fair amount of philosophy of science in the science classes, positivism vs realism, falsifiability, the various meanings of ‘reduction’, etc. Thankfully we weren’t tested on any of it!

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  21. synred

    chlorophyll

    Don’t the experiments that proport to observe QM computation in chlorophyll need lower temperatures than most plants can survive in?

    Or ire highly productive regions near the poles cold enough?

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