“Ought implies can” is one of those elementary notions that every philosophy student learns in introductory courses. Specifically, she will come across two formulations of the principle, both due to Kant. In his Critique of Pure Reason, he says: “The action to which the ‘ought’ applies must indeed be possible under natural conditions.” And in Religion Within the Boundaries of Mere Reason he explains: “For if the moral law commands that we ought to be better human beings now, it inescapably follows that we must be capable of being better human beings.” (Of course one could deny the antecedent “if” condition, but the idea is that if one accepts it then what follows is entailed.)
This seems a pretty straightforward logical principle, i.e., entirely independent of empirical verification. Or is it? A recent paper by Vladimir Chituc, Paul Henne, Walter Sinnott-Armstrong and Felipe De Brigard argues otherwise. Published in the journal Cognition with the title “Blame, not ability, impacts moral ‘ought’ judgments for impossible actions: Toward an empirical refutation of ‘ought’ implies ‘can'” is one of the latest salvos in the controversial field of experimental philosophy.
Now to be clear, Kan’t dictum simply says that in order for someone to be morally obliged to do X it has to be (“naturally”) possible for that person to actually do X. If it’s impossible, then it makes no sense to make the moral demand to begin with. The standard position in philosophy is that this is necessarily, i.e., logically true, and thus that empirical evidence is besides the point.
One of the co-authors of the paper, Sinnot-Armstrong, had previously argued that “‘ought’ does not necessarily, analytically, or conceptually imply ‘can.’ Rather, it only suggests ‘can’ in contexts where ‘ought’ judgments are used to advise rather than to blame agents—if we were giving advice to a friend, then our advice would be useless if our friend could not do what we advise. In other contexts, such as when we are laying blame (‘Where are you? You ought to be here by now!’), there is no implication from ‘ought’ to ‘can.'”
Well, maybe individual agents not particularly well versed in logic do not mean to imply anything, but perhaps they should?
At any rate, Chituc et al. set out to do an empirical test of Kant’s dictum, contrasting two hypotheses:
H1. Participants will deny that an agent ought to do something that the agent can’t do, regardless of whether the agent is to blame for the inability.
vs:
H2. Participants will judge that an agent ought to do something that the agent can’t do when the agent is to blame for the inability.
The authors carried out three experiments to go after the problem. In the first one, they used 79 subjects recruited via Amazon Mechanical Turk and asked them to read these two vignettes:
“Adams promises to meet his friend Brown for lunch at noon today. It takes Adams thirty minutes to drive from his house to the place where they plan to eat lunch together.
Low blame vignette: Adams leaves his house at eleven thirty. However, fifteen minutes after leaving, Adams car breaks down unexpectedly. Because his car is not working at that time, Adams cannot meet his friend Brown at noon, as he promised.
High blame vignette: Adams decides that he does not want to have lunch with Brown after all, so he stays at his house until eleven forty-five. Because of where he is at that time, Adams cannot meet his friend Brown at noon, as he promised.”
The subjects were then asked: “Do you agree or disagree with the following statement? At eleven forty-five, it is still true that Adams ought to meet Brown at noon.”
The results showed that people are more likely to say that Adams ought to keep the promise in the high blame situation, where he manifestly, physically, cannot (because of his earlier, culpable, decision to delay departure). The authors take these results to support H2, which is true, but — seems to me — irrelevant to Kant’s point. Kant would have simply responded that Adams was to blame for not meeting his friend because he had purposely delayed departure until a time at which it was physically impossible for him to do so. The fact that at time t+1 an agent is naturally incapable of doing X does not make him not blameable for it, if at time t he willfully put himself in such position.
Moving on to experiment 2: in this case, 195 subjects read a modified version of the low blame situation above, designed so that the wording excluded alternate pathways for Adams to keep his promise, which might have confounded the results of the first experiment. Here is the wording of the new vignette:
“Brown is a CEO of a large company in the economic boom in the middle of the 20th Century. At 2 o’clock, Brown has a meeting in the city to make a significant financial decision that will decide the future of his company. Since so much money is at stake, he asks his trusted personal advisor, Adams, to meet him on the 12 o’clock train. On the train, he plans to discuss his decision on the ride into the city, where Brown will go straight to his 2 o’clock meeting. Adams promises to meet Brown on the train at noon. It takes Adams thirty minutes to drive to the train station, park, purchase a ticket, and board the train. However, fifteen minutes after leaving at eleven-thirty, Adams car breaks down unexpectedly. Because his car is not working at the time, Adams cannot meet Brown at noon, as promised. Since cell phones have not been invented yet, Adams has no way to contact him.”
People were asked “to rate how much they agreed with statements saying that, (i) at 11:45 AM, Adams ought to keep his promise, (ii) Adams can keep his promise, and (iii) Adams is to blame for not keeping his promise.”
Results: there was a modest but statistically significant correlation (r=0.23) between ought and blame judgments, but no significant correlation (r=0.08) between ought and can judgments. Finally, can and blame were also significantly correlated (r=0.24).
The idea was that the expectation based on Kant’s dictum was of a correlation between can and ought, which however turned out to be the only pair of variables not to be correlated. Again, however, to me this does not invalidate Kant, but it rather speaks to how poorly people understand logic, which is sufficiently worrisome.
And we finally get to the third experiment, in which 319 people were exposed to vignettes representing more complex situations and where asked more sophisticated questions, in order again to untangle some of the variables that might have be confounded in the first two cases. Here is one of the vignettes in question:
“Moral Obligation, Inability, High Fault (Low Fault):
Brown is excited about a new movie that is playing at the cinema across town. He hasn’t had a chance to see it, but the latest showing is at 6 o’clock that evening. Brown’s friend, Adams, asks Brown to see the movie with him, and Brown promises to meet Adams there. It takes Brown fifteen minutes to drive to the cinema, park, purchase a ticket, and enter the movie. It would take 30 min if Brown decided to ride his bike. The cinema has a strict policy of not admitting anyone after the movie starts, and the movie always starts right on time.
[As Brown gets ready to leave at 5:45, he decides he really doesn’t want to see the movie after all. He passes the time for five minutes, so that he will be unable to make it to the cinema on time. Because Brown decides to wait, Brown can’t make it to the movie by 6. (High Blameworthiness)]
[At 5:30, Brown thinks about riding his bike, but decides it is too cold. Instead, he leaves at 5:45, but his car breaks down five minutes later. He can’t fix it himself in time to make it to the cinema, and it is too late to make it by bike. Because his car is not working at the time, Brown can’t meet his friend Adams at the movie by 6. (Low Blameworthiness)]”
With respect to the above, participants were asked to judge the following statements:
“Can: At 5:30 [Can’t: 5:50], Brown can make it to the theater by 6.
Blame: Brown is to blame for not making it to the theater by 6.
Ought: Brown ought to make it to the theater by 6”
The data set here was complex enough that the authors had to carry out a multivariate analysis of variance. You can check the details in the original paper, but they again found a statistically significant correlation between ought and blame (r=0.41) and no significant correlation between ought and can (r=0.18). This time, however, the correlation between blame and can was also not significant (r=-0.07), unlike in the second experiment.
The authors take the findings to replicate those of the first two experiments, and moreover to “demonstrate that this relationship between ought and blame does not hold for ‘ought’ judgments based on non-moral desires or judgments about instances when the agent can do what he ought to do.”
Okay, what’s the overall conclusion, then?
“We show that judgments of ought, contrary to broad philosophical assumption, do not imply judgments of can.”
I would argue that the results show no such thing at all. What they do show is that people, under certain circumstances, arrive at non-logical judgments. But that’s hardly news! Imagine a similar study carried out on the gambler’s fallacy. What would be a statistician’s response when shown empirical data that a good number of people behave exactly as his understanding of probability theory says they shouldn’t behave? I am going to go on a limb and guess that the statistician in question would shrug his shoulders and mutter something to the effect that “people are stupid, that’s why the gambling industry thrives.” Why, exactly, shouldn’t a philosopher whose dictum is based on elementary logic (Kant, in this case) not do exactly the same? (Notice that this isn’t a point about ethics, it’s about logic, so one doesn’t have to buy into Kant’s ethical pronouncements to agree.)
The authors continue: “Instead, judgments of ought are affected by judgments of blame.” Exactly, and illogically so, one ought (?) to add.
Now, if what the authors had set out to do was descriptive work in the psychology of moral judgment, this would actually be interesting. But they very explicitly didn’t: “Even more than exploring the relationship between concepts in moral psychology, these findings have important normative significance, as they pose a serious challenge for the many philosophers who hold that ‘ought’ implies ‘can.'” But they do not pose any such challenge! No more than a similar study on the gambler’s fallacy empirically demonstrating that people commit it often would have any significance whatsoever for “prescriptive” probability theory.
Again: “Because this principle [that ought implies can] is usually taken as an analytic or a conceptual entailment, it is supposed to follow necessarily from the concepts expressed by the words ‘ought’ and ‘can.’ Our results show that it does not.” No, your results show no such thing. At all. What next? A Study showing that people think some bachelors are married, and that therefore the definition of bachelor is “wrong”?
Chituc and collaborators go so far as to blame philosophers for this glaring discrepancy between logic and fact: “Why, then, are so many philosophers attracted to the principle that ‘ought’ implies ‘can’? One explanation is that rather than the participants in our experiment being distorted by a motivation to ascribe blame, philosophers may be distorting their judgments by a motivation to withhold blame.”
Holy crap! Never mind that Kant laid plenty of blame on people for all sorts of things (so long as they could do otherwise), and that philosophers generally agree that ethics is prescriptive, which implies that an agent is to blame if he does not do something that he ought and could do. Philosophers don’t withhold blame, but they do try to keep it within the confines of what an agent can actually do, not blaming people for failing to do impossible things.
The only good point, philosophically speaking, that Chituc et al. make comes at the very end of the paper: “much of the appeal of the principle that ‘ought’ implies ‘can’ is supposed to be that it reflects commonsense moral judgments. If philosophers do not stick to common moral concepts, then they risk becoming esoteric and irrelevant.”
Well, to begin with, I’d like to see empirical evidence that philosophers really do think that Kant’s dictum reflects commonsense. This is experimental philosophy, after all, and it’s not like Kant himself was known to be a particularly commonsensical kind of thinker.
Second, right, philosophers ought to be relevant to the public. So should statisticians. But the way to do that is not to abandon logic or probability theory, it is by educating the public: if you insist in engaging in the gambler’s fallacy you are behaving irrationally; and if you insist in saying that someone ought to do something which he could not possibly do, then you are reasoning illogically. Data like that provided by Chituc and collaborators show us important things about just how badly people misjudge situations, and so make for a very good argument for more education in moral theory. And elementary logic.

As I understand it ‘heaven can’t be earned’ is Protestant doctrine that you are ‘saved by belief/faith’. If you can’t chose to believe that makes no sense. It was a reaction to the Pope selling off entrance to heaven, so you no longer had to fit through that needle if you were rich.
For Catholics faith is a necessary, but not a sufficient condition to get into heaven.
Seems an incoherent idea to me, however, motivated.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credo_quia_absurdum
H.L. Mencken: “Tertullian is credited with the motto ‘Credo quia absurdum’ — ‘I believe because it is impossible’. Needless to say, he began life as a lawyer.”
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Eric,
No, its the logical implication of what is said, extended into the practicalities of real life – and not empty and undisciplined ‘theorizing.’
Ideas have consequences. We live with them. That is why study,, sharing, caution and care, are so important.
The impoverishment is your own – and I can’t help you there. I didn’t lose anybody in Orlando. But I did on 9/11/01. Gesticulations about ‘utilizations’ for maximum ‘good/bad’ in some empty theory insult me in times like this.
I don’t care to discuss such matters with you, or Coel, or garthdaisy anymore. Garthdaisuy won’t pass judgment on Hitler; half the family of my first girlfriend (whose memory I still cherish) was wiped out in Dachau.
You people keep saying its all about emotions, likes and dislikes; but you don’t care about any of this, any of the real feelings of the people you address – even on your own terms, why the hell should we care about what you have to say?
I’m sorry; I won’t talk to any of you about such matters anymore – you don’t have anything to say. If I found myself on a bus with you, I would get off and hitch-hike.
Explain how your position justifies condemnation of the Orlando murders. All of you, really. Or keep it to yourselves, cause I won’t be paying attention anymore.. .
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Rachael Madow just showed a couple of ‘pastors’ who thing Gays ‘ought’ to be killed and are approving what happen’d in Orlando.
They quote Leviticus.
The bible also says
He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. — Exodus 21:17
Which would have been a really bad ‘meme’ for the propagation of the species.
So how they ignore that one!
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synred,
Exactly. that is why that the political discourse concerning religious beliefs should not be reduced to sweeping dismissals of any one religion, or of religion per se. (A remarkable after effect of Orlando is the coming forth of gay Moslems.)
Religious texts can be interpreted in so many ways… It is important politically to emphasize those interpretations that lead to greater liberty of interpretation on the part of believers.
I am an atheist, and hope that in some future moment, the world will be free of religious belief. But it is mistaken to use moments like this to attack all religion. On the contrary, such a moment requires that we ask of the religious that they be the best of what they believe.
Let them be Muslims! Let them be the best that Muslims can be. Let them be great American Muslims, and learn to accept the difference of others.
I like being ‘right,’ and winning arguments. But I prefer that we never see such days again, that we learn to live together and respect our differences.
I win nothing by winning arguments. I win everything by winning peace and tolerance.
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Coel,
As others have already explained, this has nothing whatsoever to do with moral realism, but you need to bring it back there because otherwise a very clear example of scientism would appear for what it is: a misguided attempt to turn logic into empirical psychology.
As synred proposed, “ought” can refer to prudential matters expressed conditionally, with nothing to do with morality, as in his example, “you ought to brush your teeth (if you want to preserve them into old age)”. But of course there are plenty of situations in which I cannot brush my teeth, physically, and therefore to insist that I ought to do it is irrational.
Garth,
Not sure which manifest image you are looking for, but in the world I live in I see people apparently making decisions that, while influenced by their immediate surroundings and recent history, have no dependence at all from cosmic events and remote forces.
That suggests a vision of causality as local, and loosing power over time and space. Indeed, it almost looks like a natural force, like gravity. So, I’ll retain my agnosticism on strict determinism and will keep acting as if the manifest image were approximately correct until I see strong evidence that it isn’t.
Cubefox,
I knew someone was going to bring up the issue that language evolves and meanings change. Yes, of course, but that isn’t the point. IF language will change so much that bachelor will no longer mean an unmarried man, THEN of course one will no longer be able to raise my objection. But *at this moment* if someone says that he has seen a married bachelor that person simply doesn’t know how to properly use the English language. Dictionaries are both descriptive (of the current snapshot in the evolution of language) and prescriptive (at this point in time, there is a correct and an incorrect use of some words). If that were not the case, then we wouldn’t be able to communicate at all.
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Hi ejwinner,
What an utterly colossal misunderstanding you have about subjective ethics! Ethics are indeed all about human feelings. That makes them of the very highest importance to us! Quite literally, nothing is more important to us than our feelings!
To leap from ethics being about human feelings to the utterly weird idea that that makes ethics unimportant is a colossal non sequitur! Your comments are utterly misconceived, deriving from that total misunderstanding.
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Hello EJ,
We honour the victims of Orlando best by doing everything in our power to find out why this happened and see to it that it never happens again. That is what is ethical. I can tell that you think the best way to achieve this is to condemn the perpetrator in the strongest possible terms. But condemning the mentally ill does nothing to stop them from being mentally ill, or prevent other mentally ill people from causing more suffering in the future. Feeling moral indignation towards the mentally ill has no positive effect on society because it is irrational and useless in preventing future tragedies.
Hitler definitely believed there was an absolute right and wrong. So did the Orlando shooter. It seems you have certainty of right and wrong in common with them. Do I condemn the mentally ill and the brainwashed when they commit horrors? No. I condemn those foolish enough to think that the ignorance of moralizing wasn’t the root cause of said Horror in the first place. If you think saying “the Orlando shooter was a scumbag” makes you a good person, or helps prevent future horrors, then I am glad you do not want to converse with me. in the meantime, if you’re looking for something else to do, there’s probably some mentally ill people out on the streets right now, maybe you could go tell them they ought to not murder or steal. That’d be a big help.
Professional and academic philosophy of ethics has been with us for over 2 millennia now and was unable to prevent the orlando tragedy. You think I am out of line for criticizing that field for it’s lack of ability after 2600 years to create societies where such horrors do not happen?
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Hi Massimo,
But that’s not the sort of the oughts that the OP is about, which is about moral oughts.
Yes it does. The imposition of Kant’s logical framework (ought implies can) is a moral-realist idea.
I would be one of those declaring that Adams morally ought to meet Brown at noon, even when the time is now insufficient for him to get there. You have not shown any way in which this is either illogical or erroneous, you are only declaring it so from having adopted Kant’s “ought implies can”.
The paper addressed in the OP is not about logic, it’s about human morality, about which human psychology is indeed highly relevant.
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Massimo,
Are you saying that to you, it feels like you will your will and that your conscious self is the author of every thought that pops into your head throughout the day?
It sure doesn’t feel that way to me. I don’t need physics to tell me I do not choose my desires.
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Hi Coel,
Suppose the example was that Adam had deliberately missed the appointment 30 years ago? Would you say then that it is still true that Adam ought to keep that appointment 30 years ago?
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And by that I mean would you say that it is still true in 2016 that Adam ought to keep an appointment in 1986?
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Hi Robin,
On that one I’d adopt the past tense (he ought to have kept it), whereas if the appointment is still in the future then I’d say “you ought to” keep it (even if it was then not possible for him to do so).
That’s just a comment about grammar and tenses, the sentiment is largely the same — people ought to keep appointments they agree to — and the sentiment holds regardless of details of timing.
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Hi Coel,
So why wouldn’t you say at 11:45, when it was too late to keep the appointment, that Adam ought to have kept the appointment? What is the difference? The possibility of him keeping the appointment was also in the past then.
If the survey described in the OP had asked: “Do you agree or disagree with the following statement? At eleven forty-five, it is still true that Adams ought to have met Brown at noon.” then it wouldn’t have been describing any impossibility and agreement to that would have been uncontroversial.
No, the wording in the survey was clearly designed to be describing an impossibility, otherwise they could not have drawn that conclusion.
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Hi Robin,
True, but the appointment itself is still in the future; hence “he ought to keep it”. Anyone thinking that illogical is making assumptions about moral systems that I don’t necessarily share.
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Garth,
“Are you saying that to you, it feels like you will your will and that your conscious self is the author of every thought that pops into your head throughout the day?”
No, of course not. But even my unconscious processes seem to my manifest image to have precious little to do with the Big Bang or the Andromeda galaxy, and all to do with very proximate causes, such as genes, environments, developmental processes, cultural influences, and the like.
And my conscious decisions even more so.
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Robin,
“Social opprobrium and disapproval are merely methods by which some people seek to push others towards a particular framework.”
Lol. Pretty much applies in all social contexts, even those based on logical reasoning.
Ej,
What if there were logical considerations that would describe how we are all part of a larger whole, but that explaining them to an academic borg which assumes its all-knowing models preclude such broader contextual considerations is impossible, because, like a precocious child, they already know everything. It essentially creates a firewall against developing the intellectual basis for a wholistic view of reality and so we can only discover further wisdom by breaking any and all structure and meaning down to its smallest and most abstract components. Then left wondering how our reality emerges from those models, rather than appreciating they are only models, not reality.
If you actually add things together, it creates a larger whole, not just the sum of the parts.
Networks AND nodes.
Circularity, not just linearity.
Etc.
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Hi Coel
:”True, but the appointment itself is still in the future;”
Irrelevant, because the thing it is claimed he ought to do is “keep the appointment” and at 11:45 that can no more be said to be in the future than it can 30 years later. Hence “ought to have kept the appointment”.
You are not disagreeing on a view of morality, you are disagreeing on a point of grammar.
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We can make the point even more clear by asking what the response had been if the survey question had made the impossibility explicit and asked:
“Do you agree or disagree with the following statement? At eleven forty-five, it is true that Adams ought to do the impossible and meet Brown at noon.”
I wonder how many would agree with that? Why not? If they do not assume that “ought” implies “can” why would it make a difference to make the impossibility explicit?
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Hi Robin,
“Do you agree or disagree with the following statement? At eleven forty-five, it is true that Adams ought to do the impossible and meet Brown at noon.”
Well I, for one, would agree that Adams ought to do the impossible and meet Brown at noon. The fact that it is impossible is his problem, arising from his previous acts, and does not change my judgement that he ought to meet Brown at noon (despite it being impossible).
(As I say, if anyone thinks that judgement would be illogical, then they are likely making assumptions about moral frameworks that I don’t necessarily share.)
No, the appointment which he ought to keep is still in the future. That’s why I use the tense that I do.
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Meaning in any word or expression requires that it will achieve a communal electro-chemical activity in brains. The problem is that these mental reactions can never be better than close approximations because, unlike electronic computers, there is not one of us, therefore our concepts, who is identical. Words work when their usage is widely and commonly accepted by the group using them but they cannot be precisely defined to the nth degree, not by Dictionary, not by Science, nor by Philosophy. Particularly, this is true of “moral ought”.
Science deals best with repetitive conditions like planetary orbits which it *can* forecast but struggles with earthquakes and brains and their functioning. Computer language is precise -by nature scientific: human language is much less so. Have you never said “That — computer hasn’t done what I wanted!”
The OP “scientific” experiments were no more than exposing the fact that people interpret words like “can”, “ought” and “blame” idiosyncratically, not least those experimenters -even Kant.
Though I am a convinced determinist I do not think this makes actions unjudgable (to coin a word), not blame free, negating any “moral” dimension but that is according to my “meaning”.
Evolution entails natural selection or (as I would put it) the eradication of the less fit in a species in both structure and behaviour, as individuals and as groups. Moral behaviour is evolutionarily advantageous behaviour and this leaves lots of room for Philosophical debate because of the lack of firm data and also room for scientific empirical treatment to elicit data from which to draw better forecasts of likely outcomes of actions.
Not that this is of much personal concern, being at the age of 95.
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Hi Coel,
I wouldn’t say it is illogical. I just would say that the only slight difference to what you are saying and what, for example, Massimo is saying seems to hinge around a rather obscure grammatical quibble about how to handle the tenses referring to an appointment that can no longer happen.
This grammatical anomaly only covers that brief period between the time Adam has made the fulfilment of his promise impossible and the time the promise would have been kept, had he not made it impossible.
Outside of that period you are saying pretty much what anyone would say.
A difference in outlook so small and obscure that we have already spent much too much time discussing it.
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“It seems you have certainty of right and wrong in common with them”
That is a pretty below the belt hit and seems to me to smack of moral condemnation of those who are ‘certain’, it does not correctly categorize EJ’s position either.
Indeed w/o some underlying ground for morality how can you tell that the ‘morality’ of Hitler
and Matteen is wrong? That they are insanely mistaken in what they are certain ablout?
Myself I don’t think there is any certainty about the content of moral judgments, but that we ‘hardwired’ to make ‘em and ethics can reasonably address what that content ‘ought’ to be. Being philosophers ethicist will never agree, but the discussion itself is valuable and, I think, has led to moral progress.
My own ‘ethic’ is to always retain some doubt about everything. That’s the ethic of science. Of course, I’m not certain. The idea that ‘doubt’ is a positive good is one example of progress that flowed out of philosophy and became science.
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Coel:
It seems to me that a religious context the ‘ought’ of ‘brush your teeth’ and that of ‘thou shalt not kill’ are pretty similar. They are both backed up by the possibility of bad consequences. They both have an implicit threat involved.
Of course in the case of teeth, they’ll rot even if you don’t brush because you can’t — trapped on a desert island with no tooth brush and only candy to eat >:-(=.
God would presumably not fry you, if you killed by accident or because the Caesar told you too (with threats), or your local Baptist imam told you to kill all the gays because ‘the bible tells me so.’
If only it where so, Roy and Dale:
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‘Desire’ and ‘will’ are not the same thing, right?
I desire a hot fudge sundae, but will chose not to have one.
One might desire fois gras and chose not to have it because you don’t want to have a heart attack or because you just watched an undercover video of the ducks being ‘feed’ and feel sorry form them — empathy!
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Would you say then that it is still true that Adam ought to keep that appointment 30 years ago?
‘Ought to have’
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Arthur,
We have lots of desires, but only one will.
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On that one I’d adopt the past tense (he ought to have kept it), whereas if the appointment is still in the future then I’d say “you ought to” keep it (even if it was then not possible for him to do so).
If you can’t you can’t. Even Kant couldn’t.
What if you’re dead? That’s generally considered a good excuse.
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There’s always the speed of light. What some philosopher is now blogging in a distant galaxy can’t effect you today.
Knowledge of the existence of distant galaxies and that there might or might not be philosophers there might have some effect.
Indeed it has we’re blogging about it <]:_}
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Not that anyone will be surprised, but I agree entirely with EJ’s perception of much of the positioning here, and I happen to be a moral anti-realist.
Thou may protesteth — perhaps even too much — but in part, it is a matter of how people perceive the things you say and the way you say them. And I would bet — quite a bit, in fact — that people are much more likely to perceive your statements on ethics and morals in the way EJ suggests, rather than in the way suggested by your apologia.
You can cry that they would be “irrational” in doing so, but perceptions are funny that way — people have their own, and there really isn’t anything you can do about it. Which is why we should always formulate what we say with care *and* not spew a bunch of stuff on topics we know very little about.
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Massimo,
“But even my unconscious processes seem to my manifest image to have precious little to do with the Big Bang”
No but the lack of free will they imply by their unconscious nature is pertinent to moral reasoning.
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