Should we stop using the term “pseudoscience”?

Pseudoscience cartoonThe term “pseudoscience” is obviously pejorative. Nobody wishes whatever he does to be labeled with that appellative. Recently, Katie Burke has written an essay for American Scientist arguing that we should drop it altogether. It isn’t the first time someone makes this suggestion, and I’m betting it won’t be the last one. Here is why Burke and others are wrong.

Pseudoscience refers to “any body of knowledge that purports to be scientific or to be supported by science but which fails to comply with the scientific method,” though since there is no such thing as the scientific method, I would rather modify the above to read “with currently accepted scientific standards.”

This is an important point, since scientific standards change through time — as they ought to, if science makes progress — so that a certain body of evidence may fit such standards at one point, but not later on. Take, for instance, phrenology. One can reasonably argue that it was a notion to be debated in the early part of the 19th century, when it was popular. But anyone practicing phrenology today would unquestionably be relegated to the category of a pseudoscientist.

The term pseudoscience apparently originated in 1796, when James Pettit Andrews and Robert Henry used it in their History of Great Britain, from the death of Henry viii. to the accession of James vi. of Scotland to the crown of England: “The fantastical pseudo-science of alchemy has in all ages had its numerous votaries.”

Back to Burke’s essay, which takes its cue from media reports labeling swimmer Michael Phelps’ use of “cupping” as pseudoscience (and rightly so). Burke says we shouldn’t use the label because “it is divisive and lacks agreed-upon scientific or journalistic norms, so the evidence justifying its use is unclear. Furthermore, its cultural meanings come along with a flawed history of use for defamation.”

Let’s stop here for a second and unpack that passage. The fact that a term is divisive is irrelevant to whether journalists or anyone else should use it. “Liberal” (or “conservative”) is a highly divisive term, but it does identify two broadly distinct — if varied — constituencies of people, whose interests, ideologies, and behavior at the poll are in fact statistically well differentiated from each other.

Further, I’m not sure where Burke gets the idea that the term lacks scientific (or, more properly, philosophical) normativity, since there is a large literature on pseudoscience — including my co-edited (with Maarten Boudry) collection of essays, which she cites, likely without having read it — establishing precisely such norms.

As for journalistic standards, I wonder whether journalists have “norms” for the use of any other divisive term, such as liberal, conservative, pro-choice, pro-life, race, and so forth. If so, I’d like to know where such norms are published, and on whose authorities they are being deployed.

Finally, yes, “pseudoscience” has been used to defame certain notions, though we’ll return in a minute to Burke’s questionable examples of such defamations, but — again — so have plenty of other terms that journalists keep using nonetheless, like all of those listed in the previous paragraph.

Burke continues: “The term pseudoscience inherently creates this framing, pitting those who believe in ‘real’ science against those who believe in ‘fake’ science. But these discussions really indicate whom we trust.”

Well, yes, because there are such people. Vaccines are “real” science, antivaxx rhetoric is not. Astronomy is “real” science, astrology is not. And so forth. I get that the people who find themselves on the “pseudo” side of that divide won’t like it, but life is tough, isn’t it?

“With the hindsight of history it is clear that what exactly was labeled pseudoscience in both popular media and scholarly studies had as much to do with culture and ideology as it did with logic and fact.”

Here Burke links to a book chapter that talks about phrenology, which is an odd example to pick, since as I said before, it’s evolution from debatable science to pseudoscience is both typical and expected. Some notions begin as outright pseudoscience (see antivaxx), and others start out as plausible and provisionally acceptable and then descend into what Maarten and I informally refer to as the “pseudoscience black hole.” (It’s a black hole because it’s hard to find historical examples of a notion that, once it began to be labeled as pseudoscience, emerged back out into the area of acceptable science. If anyone can think of counterexamples we’d like to hear about them.)

Next, Burke provides her readers with three more examples of allegedly questionable use of “pseudoscience”: many (but unspecified) areas of psychology, continental drift, and eugenics. The latter is in the same category as phrenology, i.e., a notion that originally held some degree of scientific credibility — at the time of Francis Galton — and then slid into pseudoscience, so it doesn’t represent a problem for my account.

The other two are interesting. I am not aware of Richard Wegener’s theory of continental drift ever having been labeled pseudoscience, tough it might have. It was, for sure, a controversial theory for a number of reasons, including the lack of a mechanism underlying it. Eventually it became accepted and is firmly entrenched in modern geology — so that if someone did call it pseudoscience, the label doesn’t seem to have brought about long lasting negative effects.

The unspecified “areas of psychology” bit in Burke’s article has a link, which leads to a book chapter that refers to a hodgepodge of notions, including IQ measurements, Skinnerian behaviorism, and parapsychology. The latter is clearly considered pseudoscience by a consensus of competent researchers, while the other two are, respectively, controversial (politically as well as scientifically) and superseded (as a scientific theory).

Sure, someone, somewhere, has used the term “pseudoscience” where it doesn’t seem to properly belong. I don’t think that the concept of IQ is pseudoscientific, it is more likely only marginally relevant to the study of intelligence; and I don’t think Skinner was a pseudoscientist either, but his ideas have indeed been superseded by developments in cognitive science over the last several decades.

Again, though, if we stopped using a word because someone misapplies it for ideological reasons, we would have to excise a good portion of our dictionaries. It is far better to engage in a case-by-case discussion and inquire into the validity of this or that label, given currently acceptable epistemic standards.

I’d also like to notice that the examples mentioned by Burke are taken from a book entitled Deconstructing Social Psychology, which has a distinctly postmodern flavor to it (including a chapter on something called “psychoanalytic feminism,” whatever that is).

Burke then goes on to cite a 2011 dissertation by Paul Lawrie that argues that “dismissing… scientific racism as ‘pseudo-science,’ or a perversion of the scientific method, blurs our understanding of its role as a tool of racial labor control in modern America.”

Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t. But scientific racism is a pseudoscience, and it is widely recognized — again by the relevant epistemic community — as such. The political use of pseudoscience is a very interesting topic, but one that seems to me entirely distinct from whether a notion is or is not pseudoscientific. After all, actual science also has political uses, sometimes positive, sometimes nefarious.

“The cries about pseudoscience and quackery were generally made with good scientific intentions, and they were often biased in favor of the convictions and interests of doctors and scientists. But because the group of people who tended to make such proclamations has lacked diversity over the past centuries — €”and still does today — €”their defamatory rhetorical context has a history of being culturally insensitive and even misinformed.”

The link accompanying that bit? To literature on “indigenous science.” I may have more to say about this particular topic soon, since I’ve been invited to a conference in Canada early next year on attempts to teach indigenous medicine in university curricula, but for now I maintain that there is no such thing as Native American, or Chinese, or whatever, science. There are bodies of local knowledge, which should be (and often are, nowadays) appreciated for what they are but still need to be subjected to the more rigorous standards of systematic observations and controlled experiments. Those are the standards that help us figure out whether a notion has theoretical or empirical validity or not. And what characterizes a pseudoscientific stand is the insistence on passing for science notions that have, in fact, repeatedly failed those standards — regardless of which ethnic group, gender, political group, and so forth originally proposed those notions.

At this point Burke shifts gears and links the use of pseudoscience with the defense of the ideology of scientism, going so far as suggesting that “perhaps the assault the Christian Right has waged on many aspects of science education and funding in the United States represents just such a backlash.”

Well, if it does, I’d like to see some solid empirical evidence of that causal link.

But the author does have a point concerning a connection between scientism and pseudoscience. As I will argue in a chapter of a forthcoming collection also co-edited with Maarten Boudry, on the varieties of scientism (out next year by Chicago Press) in some sense pseudoscience and scientism are mirror images of each other, each the offspring of a priori ideological positions, not of sound empirical investigation or cogent philosophical arguments.

Burke concludes with a series of alternative suggestions to the use of pseudoscience, so let’s take a look.

“One can simply state what kind of scientific evidence is available … if scientific evidence directly contradicts a claim, saying so outright is much stronger than if a fuzzy term like pseudoscience is used … if fraudulent behavior is suspected, such allegations are best stated overtly rather than veiled under the word pseudoscience; [we should be] replacing pseudoscience with descriptors such as emerging and still-experimental, as yet scientifically inconclusive, scientifically debated, and lacking scientific evidence [or, when appropriate] fraud (suspected or proven), fabrication, misinformation, factually baseless claims, and scientifically unfounded claims.”

But we, in fact, already do all of that! Except that some ideas don’t simply “lack scientific evidence,” and yet they are not “fraud or fabrication,” nor are they simply the result of “misinformation,” and they are certainly not “still-experimental.” They are, well, pseudoscientific!

Look, I get it: labeling something a pseudoscience carries the danger of alienating people and of discouraging research into potentially interesting areas. But not doing so also carries risks, in particular that of lending legitimacy to notions that shouldn’t have it, some of which notions are positively dangerous for people’s health (homeopathy, antivaxx) or even the future of the planet (climate change denialism). So it isn’t a question of not labeling, but rather of labeling as accurately as possible, and of supporting whatever label one wishes to use (including that of “science” or “scientific”) with good arguments and solid empirical evidence.

189 thoughts on “Should we stop using the term “pseudoscience”?

  1. Philosopher Eric

    Daniel, I believe that the three other people here who I’ve noted above also consider eugenics “viable,” and I think took some effort to explain something that they shouldn’t have needed to — or that “viable” is quite different from “moral.” Of course we can always add “immoral” as a qualification for pseudoscience if we like, though in that case I must insist that we do so plainly. For me “fuzziness” simply will not do!

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  2. Philosopher Eric

    As for the post itself, I consider “pseudoscience” to be an extremely useful term. For example, I agree with Massimo’s past assertions that modern adherents of Signumd Freud are thus practicing pseudoscience in this regard. (I’d hope for this to be an uncontroversial statement among our mental and behavioral scientists.)

    Then regarding the difference between bad science and pseudoscience, how about this: It can reasonably be demonstrated that children aren’t primally consumed with having sex with their parents (as in Freudianism), and that it isn’t the time and location of a person’s birth, as opposed to shared genes, which gives identical twins their similarities (as in astrology). Therefore I’d say that people who promote such views today aren’t just doing science “badly,” such as skewing evidence or using flawed logic, but are instead contradicting well established beliefs within the scientific community. Without accepted beliefs, there can be no pseudoscience.

    Is there such a thing as “pseudophilosophy” today? I’d say only to the extent that the philosophy community has achieved various reasonably accepted understandings regarding philosophy. I very much hope so!

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  3. Coel

    Hi Socratic,

    nope, still wrong. Animal husbandry doesn’t breed, or claim to breed, for intellectual traits.

    First, yes it does, as my example of breeding border collies for sheep farming shows. Ditto other dog breeds bred for behavioural traits to do a variety of jobs. Further, docility is very much a trait that has been bred for in farm animals.

    Second, eugenics is not only about intellectual traits. (Under the Nazis, for example, it was more about physical traits and killing the physically weak and disabled.) [And you’re keen on quoting the dictionary definition of eugenics, so note that your definition just says “desirable traits”.]

    Third, human intellectual traits very much have a genetic component, as twin studies show and as is obvious to any school teacher. Some kids are simply brighter than others from a similar environment, or have distinctly different personalities. [This is not to deny the equally big role of environment.] Therefore intellectual traits can be bred for [if one wanted to, which one doesn’t.]

    Fourth, in the recent human evolutionary past [since the divergence from chimps] there has been obvious and huge evolution to higher intelligence, which can only have occurred through natural selection, which can only have occurred if human intelligence is to a large extent under genetic control, and that a diversity in intelligence comes from our genetic diversity. One can point to population bottlenecks [e.g. 80,000 yrs ago] but the idea that such diversity has all disappeared very recently, just to suit your ideology is, well, ideological.

    And against all this, what do you have?, an utterly feeble “we use a different word for it therefore …”, as though that’s some sort of argument.

    [scientific racism] it’s always pseudoscience, just like Aristotle was always burdened with a degree of racism and sexism, …

    I’d suggest that polygenism [and thus scientific racism] was a viable proposition in the 1830s, and that it would have been hard to reject it based on what they knew then. As synred points out, the idea of different human races with distinctly different attributes is not a priori wrong, as the previous existence of Neanderthals and Homo floresiensis shows. It was only post Darwin’s explanation of how races arose that monogenism became clearly right. Many notable names advocated polygenism prior to that, and with the benefit of hindsight we can see that it is wrong, but that makes it wrong science rather than pseudoscience, unless you can produce a clear refutation of polygenism that would have been available to them a century pre-Darwin.

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  4. garthdaisy

    “in some sense pseudoscience and scientism are mirror images of each other”

    Hmm. And yet it feels to me like pseudoscientists probably take great comfort in all of the anti-scientism rhetoric. I’m guessing they prefer anti-scientismists to scientismists.

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  5. Robin Herbert

    Hmm. And yet it feels to me like pseudoscientists probably take great comfort in all of the anti-scientism rhetoric. I’m guessing they prefer anti-scientismists to scientismists.

    Which, if you think of it, doesn’t contradict what Massimo said.

    All the same, I think the attitude of pseudo scientists to scientism would vary quite a lot.

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  6. brodix

    If one considers how the process has evolved and not just our present day viewpoint and opinion, it does seem that pretty much all the various ideas, beliefs, models, theories, etc. being discussed here were reasonably viable propositions within their original context. Even the amoral ones, such as eugenics, were issues of advancing human abilities and capacities. It’s not as though we have the market on scientific morality cornered today.
    One could even argue the assumption of theism was an extremely valid insight, for a humanity that had not yet quite so effectively sterilized their environment(a scientific and technological accomplishment). We do recognize top down processes, as well as bottom up ones today.
    So it seems to me that the term “pseudoscience” is being thrown about by people who lack a larger historical context. As I argued previously, it is a term which needs to be broken up into the various categories, causes, etc, to advance as logical examination.
    Often such early insights build up a natural constituency, due to social, political, economic reasons. Consequently dismissing them out of hand is more of a social and political response in itself. It is when they are fully examined in context, that their validity, or lack thereof, can be understood, but for those who wish to dismiss them out of hand, it becomes emotionally repulsive to give them that much credit. So we just have endless squabbling.

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  7. Massimo Post author

    Geekborj,

    “So when does eugenics become unethical exactly?”

    As soon as it starts forcing people to abstain from reproduction. If you are talking about voluntary “enhancement,” that’s much more complicated, ethically speaking.

    Dan,

    “the distinction between “bad X” and “pseudo X” is going to be really hard to draw in any sort of rigorous fashion.”

    If you really think so than I would guess it would be equally hard to draw a distinction between bad X and good X, no? So everything has similar value? Or value is entirely subjective?

    Look, the best way to proceed, as I argued in the book with Maarten, is to begin by looking at clear cut examples, and then work your way to more difficult ones. So: quantum mechanics > good science; astrology > pseudoscience (sorry, Astro); evolutionary psychology > questionable science; a lot of research in psychology > bad science. And so forth. Obviously, each of those judgments needs to be defended. But once you make enough of them, you begin to see a well structured, and not at all random, landscape.

    Astro,

    “It is not I who have been chasing after definitions of pseudoscience, and if such activity now appears to you as a fool’s errand”

    I never said one cannot come up with rigorous understanding, I just said that a sharp definition in terms of necessary/sufficient conditions is impossible. But this has been recognized for a long while now, and not just for science/pseudoscience.

    Garth,

    “And yet it feels to me like pseudoscientists probably take great comfort in all of the anti-scientism rhetoric.”

    About the same comfort that self-congratulatory scientimists experience from their own anti-everything else rhetoric.

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  8. Coel

    Hi Socratic,

    Coel, DM: See Daniel’s “Oh dear.”

    Seen it. But: “I oppose X on political and moral grounds, therefore X is bad science” is the very essence of the pseudoscientific ideologue. It’s how creationists reason when they assert that evolution is bad science. It’s how climate-change denialists reason when they dismiss the science of AGW.

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  9. SocraticGadfly

    Coel, wrong AGAIN.

    The issue with “eugenics” is one of definitions, not science. That’s why I threatened to sic Dan on you in the first place. That’s why I provided a link to the dictionary definition a week ago, provided it again yesterday, and added emphasis that eugenics is strictly about HUMAN heritability.

    I think we’re reaching new highs, or lows, in obtuseness.

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  10. Massimo Post author

    Okay people, about eugenics. It should be obvious that the question of ethics is logically entirely distinct from the question of science. A notion may be scientifically sound (yeah, we can build atomic weapons!) and yet ethically unacceptable (sure, let’s dropping atom bombs on the Middle East!).

    I don’t think anyone here has been arguing that eugenics is ethical. But we do have disagreements on the science. Yes, Coel, we have successfully selected for dogs’ behavioral traits, and yes, humans are animals. But the sort of traits eugenicists were interested in are immensely more complex, and subject to strong, presumably highly non-linear, gene-environment interactions, where great part of the “environmental” component is cultural in nature. So to expect eugenic selection to just work like animal husbandry is not in synch with the best available science, and to insist that it is means one is sliding into pseudoscience.

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  11. Coel

    Hi Socratic,

    The issue with “eugenics” is one of definitions, not science.

    Nope, you are just wrong. We are discussing whether eugenics is scientifically valid (in the sense of whether it would actually work, were we to implement it) or whether it is pseudoscience (it would not work whatever). We are not arguing over the definition of eugenics, we agree on the definition of eugenics.

    I think we’re reaching new highs, or lows, in obtuseness.

    Well you got that bit right!

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  12. Coel

    Hi Massimo,

    But the sort of traits eugenicists were interested in are immensely more complex, and subject to strong, presumably highly non-linear, gene-environment interactions, where great part of the “environmental” component is cultural in nature.

    We argued about this last time, so perhaps we should just accept that we disagree. My counter-arguments are that the mapping of phenotype to genotype is likely to be pretty complex in things like sheep-dog behaviour, and that, yes, gene-environment-culture interactions are complex and all of that is more complex it humans — and all of that is an argument that it might take a massive scale and many more generations to achieve a desired affect, and that one would have to pay as much attention to environment as to genetic selection, but that’s not the same as saying it wouldn’t work at all. It would only not work at all if none of the relevant traits had any genetic component, whereas the rule of thumb is that the diversity of a given trait is about half-and-half due to diversity of genes versus diversity of environment.

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  13. SocraticGadfly

    Again, you’re wrong, Coel. You were using a term you were wrongly defining. That’s linguistics, NOT science.

    Perhaps we should just accept that your use of a common English-language word is like that of Humpty Dumpty? (Daniel, you can save that and thank me for that either.)

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  14. brodix

    If there was a program to select for human traits, likely it would be to reduce variability, i.e.. making people more compliant with the intentions of those implementing the program. Making them more adapted and thus less adaptable, like domestic animals.

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  15. Disagreeable Me (@Disagreeable_I)

    As well as agreeing with everything Coel has written, I have a few things to say myself.

    Socratic:

    Coel, DM: See Daniel’s “Oh dear.”

    What’s that supposed to prove? Daniel did not like Eric calling eugenics ‘viable’, I assume because this comes across as an endorsement of eugenics. Eric clarified the point adequately in my view.

    Animal husbandry doesn’t breed, or claim to breed, for intellectual traits.

    As Coel pointed out, it does breed behavioural traits. I don’t think that it has been disproved that the same kind of thing might in principle be possible with humans. We might for instance be able to breed for non-aggression in humans the way we do in animals. If we can breed for sheep herding ability, it seems to me we might even be able to breed for job aptitude in humans. For instance, we might breed better engineers, where we select for engineers that produce good designs in a timely fashion rather than seeking to maximise “intelligence”, whatever that is. I don’t think any of this assumes that there is a gene for good engineering. It does assume that there is some genetic basis for aptitude in engineering — but then that is probably a true assumption.

    (Of course it should go without saying that I don’t want to dismiss the role of education — a great engineer needs both an aptitude and years of training)

    The issue with “eugenics” is one of definitions, not science.

    I agree with Coel here. I don’t understand how you can define away the question. Besides, you seem to be ignoring the point that nobody disputes that eugenics applies to humans and not animals. We’re just arguing that eugenics is a kind of animal husbandry.

    Massimo:

    I don’t think anyone here has been arguing that eugenics is ethical.

    Well, I don’t know. It might be, depending on how you define it. Eliminating certain genetic diseases would be a good start, and would fall within the scope of how I define eugenics. I think it is a mistake to dismiss the whole idea of eugenics just because of how the Nazis (for instance) practised it.

    But the sort of traits eugenicists were interested in are immensely more complex

    Perhaps. But then sheep dog behaviour and ability is pretty complex too, I would have thought. We don’t understand the gene interactions that lead to good sheepdogs, but that doesn’t stop us selecting for it. Similarly, evolution, being a blind force in nature, has no idea about how human intelligence works or interacts with its environment, but that didn’t stop evolution selecting for and shaping human intelligence.

    Nobody needs to deny that these things are complex in order to make a study of them. A science of eugenics would be performing experiments to find out just how successful we might be in breeding for these traits. Until those unethical experiments are carried out, we can’t assume that any such efforts would be unsuccessful.

    In any case, I think both you and Socratic have too narrow a definition of eugenics in mind. In my book, eugenics is the study of how to shape the human genome either through breeding or genetic engineering so as to maximise certain traits and minimise others (the choosing of such traits being a value-laden question and so outside the scope of eugenics itself).

    Nowhere in this definition is there any mention of intelligence or any specific trait. It may be that certain historical eugenicists have been preoccupied with certain metrics of intelligence, but I don’t see those preferences as defining or limiting the scope of eugenics as a whole. Neither is there any assumption about a simple correspondence between genotype and phenotype anywhere in that definition. It may be that such assumptions were made by historical eugenicists — but at a time when these things were not as well understood and so this would have been a defensible scientific hypothesis. A hypothetical modern revival of eugenics would, I hope, throw away such outmoded ideas and work within the constraints of the kind of complexity you are warning about.

    You might be able to make a case that various prominent historical eugenicists were practising pseudo-science, but only if you could show that what they were doing was ignoring the scientific understanding of their time. I’m not sure if that’s the case. But even if that is the case, it doesn’t necessarily mean that eugenics as I define it is a pseudo-science, any more than homeopathy proves that medicine is a pseudo-science. Eugenics can be done poorly, but I imagine it can also be done well.

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  16. Disagreeable Me (@Disagreeable_I)

    Hi Socratic,

    Again, you’re wrong, Coel. You were using a term you were wrongly defining. That’s linguistics, NOT science.

    No he isn’t. His usage of the term is consistent with the definition you yourself provided. He hasn’t once (in this conversation at least) implied that animal breeding is eugenics.

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  17. brodix

    My girlfriend has Border Collies and we have coyotes on the farm. In fact a pack was howling down by the stream, about a 100 yards from me this morning. The collies are overbred and prone to some joint issues, as many breeds have various genetic problems. Coyotes, on the other hand, are repopulating much of the east coast and are highly adaptable.

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  18. synred

    “We might for instance be able to breed for non-aggression in humans the way we do in animals”

    As I understand it one of the ways we made animals more docile was to make them stupider. I read this somewhere a long time ago and I don’t recall the source. Something about Spanish wildcats…

    It still wrong. One of the reasons it’s wrong is the one Massimo pointed about the extreme variability of other factors in human development.

    To breed for IQ we’d have to have a uniformity of environment and restrictions on autonomy more extreme than any fascist state so far. It’d make china’s one child policy look like a love-in.

    And even after all that it might not ‘work’ and there’d be ‘unintended’ consequences. The very uniformity needed to distinguish genetic variations in IQ would likely make us stupider (though not in IQ maybe).

    Eugenics is not pseudo science — it’s worse!

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  19. Philosopher Eric

    Socratic, it seems to me that DM, Coel, and Synred have simply been traveling the bounds of sensible reason. If you happen to have some hang ups about their travels however, you might then imagine that they I’ve followed them off a cliff…

    Massimo, thanks for clarifying that you don’t consider eugenics “pseudoscience,” though you do believe that it would be very difficult to get right if it were studied in earnest, and so I presume somewhat like many existing sciences. What you seem to be calling “pseudoscience,” however, is the notion that this stuff would be just as simple as it is for us to do with livestock. I’ll buy that!

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  20. Daniel Kaufman

    I really don’t have much of a stake in the pseudoscience issue. Yes, I think much better of depth psychology than most here, but that just as well could be called bad science, as pseudoscience, by those who have the knives out for it. So, my discussion really just out of interest in what seems to me to be a somewhat tricky question of language, classification, and the distinction between axiological and ontological concepts.

    One of the criticisms of Tolstoy’s theory of art is that it conflates being art, with being good art. That is, given the way he defines ‘art’, it would appear that there can be no bad art. If it’s art, then it’s good art. This is problematic because (a) it seems that surely, whether something is art is a separate matter from whether it is good or bad art — i.e. ontology is distinct from axiology — and (b) we clearly have examples of good and bad art (Max Beckmann = good art / Thomas Kinkade = bad art).

    But it doesn’t seem that we need a “pseudo art” category, and it’s hard to know how one would even make sense of it. Indeed, I can’t even think of an example of a pseudo artist. Damien Hirst is a terrible artist, but he’s definitely an artist, not a pseudo artist. The aforementioned producer of visual barf, Thomas Kinkade, is perhaps the worst widely known artist who ever lived, but he certainly was an artist and not a pseudo artist. The problem, it seems to me, is that anything one would point to as evidence that something is pseudo art would be the same things you’d point to as evidence that it is bad art.

    There are, of course, frauds — people who produce fraudulent copies of masterpieces that they try to pass of as the original — something which one certainly finds in the scientific domain — snake-oil salesman bogus diet drugs and the like, but it would seem odd to call these “pseudo scientists.” “Con men” would seem more apropos.

    I could imagine someone engaging in a kind of playing at doing art, in which there is no fraud, but rather an absent of genuine artistic intent — whatever that might be — about whom it might be useful to call him a “pseudo artist.” But in such a case, unless the person were perpetuating frauds, it’s hard to see why the term would be a pejorative. And whether one could replicate this sort of idea in the scientific sphere would depend on whether one could give some characterization of “scientific intent” which might be just as hard as giving one for “artistic intent.”

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  21. Daniel Kaufman

    DM wrote:

    “We might for instance be able to breed for non-aggression in humans the way we do in animals.”

    ” I think it is a mistake to dismiss the whole idea of eugenics just because of how the Nazis (for instance) practised it.”

    Lol. And you made hay of my saying “Oh, dear”?

    You’re one of those people who could read “A Clockwork Orange” and not understand why what was done to Alex was wrong.

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  22. garthdaisy

    Robin

    “Which, if you think of it, doesn’t contradict what Massimo said.”

    Neither does it support what Massimo said.

    “All the same, I think the attitude of pseudo scientists to scientism would vary quite a lot.”

    Again, I highly doubt they are ever cheering for the scientismist in a debate with an anti-scientismist.

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  23. Coel

    Hi Dan,

    [To DM] You’re one of those people who could read “A Clockwork Orange” and not understand why what was done to Alex was wrong.

    No, he understands the ethical issues quite well. If you think that the two sentences from DM that you quoted were part of the same thought then you are simply misrepresenting him. It’s notable how the non-scientists here seem to be struggling with the “obvious”, for which I’ll quote Massimo: “It should be obvious that the question of ethics is logically entirely distinct from the question of science. A notion may be scientifically sound (yeah, we can build atomic weapons!) and yet ethically unacceptable (sure, let’s dropping atom bombs on the Middle East!).”

    Do you think that Dor Yeshorim is unethical?

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