Munchausen’s trilemma and the impossibility of certain truth

Munchausen'S bootstrapOne day the Baron Munchausen found himself stuck in a mire together with his horse. The situation was dire, but he managed to save himself (and his horse!) by pulling his hair up until he was lifted out of the mud.

Obviously, Munchausen’s feat is impossible, as it violates the law of gravity. So it is fitting that it gives the name to the most compelling demonstration of the impossibility of another impossibility that human beings have been after for quite some time: certain knowledge.

One of the earliest demonstrations that certainty isn’t something that human beings can reasonably aspire to was given by the ancient skeptics. Julia Annas (who, incidentally, will be one of the speakers of the forthcoming STOICON event in New York City, on 15 October) presents the argument as articulated by Sextus Empiricus (in her translation of Outlines of Scepticism):

“According to the mode deriving from dispute, we find that undecidable dissension about the matter proposed has come about both in ordinary life and among philosophers. Because of this we are not able to choose or to rule out anything, and we end up with suspension of judgment. In the mode deriving from infinite regress, we say that what is brought forward as a source of conviction for the matter proposed itself needs another such source, which itself needs another, and so ad infinitum, so that we have no point from which to begin to establish anything, and suspension of judgment follows. In the mode deriving from relativity, as we said above, the existing object appears to be such-and-such relative to the subject judging and to the things observed together with it, but we suspend judgment on what it is like in its nature. We have the mode from hypothesis when the Dogmatists, being thrown back ad infinitum, begin from something which they do not establish but claim to assume simply and without proof in virtue of a concession. The reciprocal mode occurs when what ought to be confirmatory of the object under investigation needs to be made convincing by the object under investigation; then, being unable to take either in order to establish the other, we suspend judgment about both.”

The modern version of the argument relies on three alternative paths to certain knowledge, all judged to be dead ends (hence Munchausen’s tri-lemma, also known as Agrippa’s trilemma, from the Greek skeptic to whom Diogenes Laertius attributes the original formulation). If someone states something to be certainly true, we are well within our rights to ask him how does he know that. To which there can be only three classes of answers:

1. A circular argument, where at some point the theory and the alleged proof support each other, however indirectly.

2. An argument from regression, in which the proof relies on a more basic proof, which in turn relies on an even more basic one, and so on, in an infinite regress.

3. An axiomatic argument, where the proof stems from a (hopefully) small number of axioms or assumptions which, however, are not themselves subjected to proof.

It is self-evident why none of the above options are good enough, if one’s objective is to arrive at certainty. And I should immediately add that these are the only three modes available not just in the case of deductive logic (which means most of mathematics), but also in the case of inductive inference (which means the rest of math and all of scientific as well as common knowledge — see Hume’s problem of induction).

There are, of course, different ways of biting the bullet, and they correspond to some of the major schools of epistemology. Say you find the first option (circularity) as the most palatable — or the least distasteful — one. Then you are a coherentist about knowledge, arguing for something like Quine’s web of belief approach. If you’d rather go for infinite regression you are, quite appropriately, an infinitist (which, as far as I know, is not a popular position among epistemologists). But if your taste agrees more with the idea of unproven axioms, then you are a foundationalist, someone who thinks of knowledge as built, metaphorically, like an edifice, on foundations (which, however, cannot be further questioned).

If none of the above does it for you, then you can go more radical. One way to do so is to be a fallibilist, that is someone who accepts that human knowledge cannot achieve certainty, but that we can still discard notions because they have been shown to be false (see Popper’s falsifiability criterion).

Karl Popper, who wrote about Munchausen’s trilemma in his The Logic of Scientific Discovery (a book that I’m re-appreciating the more I am sent to it by way of other readings) opted for a mixed approach: he thought that a judicious combination of dogmatism (i.e., assuming certain axioms), regress, and perceptual experience is the best we can do, even though it falls short of the chimera of certainty.

It has to be noted that Munchausen’s trilemma does not imply that we cannot make objective statements about the world, nor that we are condemned to hopeless epistemic relativism. The first danger is avoided once we realize that — given certain assumptions about whatever problem we are focusing on — we can say things that are objectively true. Just think, for instance, of the game of chess. Its rules (i.e., axioms) are entirely arbitrary, invented by human beings out of whole cloth. But once accepted, chess problems do admit of objectively true solutions (as well as of a large number of objectively false ones). This ought to clearly show that arbitrariness is not equivalent to lack of objectivity.

The second danger, relativism, is pre-empted by the fact that some solutions to whatever problem do work (whatever the criterion for “working” is) better than others. It is true that engineers have to make certain assumptions about the laws of nature, as well as accept the properties of the materials they use as raw facts. But it is equally true that bridges built in a certain way stay up and function properly, while bridges built in other ways have a nasty tendency to collapse.

So, it looks like the quest for certainty, which has plagued both philosophy and science since the time of Plato, is doomed to failure. But are we certain of this? If so, then doesn’t that certainty itself undermine our very contention that there can be no certainty to begin with? Nice try, but no, because we do not actually have a proof that there can be no certainty. Munchausen’s trilemma is a reasonable conclusion arrived at by logical reasoning. But logic itself has to make certain assumptions in order to work, so there…

210 thoughts on “Munchausen’s trilemma and the impossibility of certain truth

  1. Robin Herbert

    Say you find the first option (circularity) as the most palatable — or the least distasteful — one. Then you are a coherentist about knowledge, arguing for something like Quine’s web of belief approach. If you’d rather go for infinite regression you are, quite appropriately, an infinitist (which, as far as I know, is not a popular position among epistemologists). But if your taste agrees more with the idea of unproven axioms, then you are a foundationalist, someone who thinks of knowledge as built, metaphorically, like an edifice, on foundations (which, however, cannot be further questioned).

    But then again, if you are a coherentist then you have adopted an axiom that knowledge is coherent, so you are also a foundationalist.

    But if you are only using “knowledge is coherent” as a working assumption because it has often proved useful, but are not assuming that it will always be true in every case then you are not a coherentist.

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  2. Robin Herbert

    To generalise that, if you are not a foundationalist and do not have any axioms that cannot be questioned, then strictly speaking you cannot be a coherentist, an infinitists or a correspondinceist.

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  3. Thomas Jones

    Yes, Robin, it’s also “true,” whether objective or not, that John, Mary and Simon can agree on a convention despite having different reasons for agreeing; and if Mary bails out the following day, it would be false to say there is an agreement regardless of her reasons for doing so.

    The article addresses the subject of “certain” truths. So, what interests me is whether there is a distinction between the statements (1) It is true that John, Mary and Simon have agreed or (2) It is certain that John, Mary and Simon have agreed. So, yeah, the subtext without which the distinction seems trivial regardless of a given intensifier. For that matter one might say (1) It is mostly true or (2) It is most certainly the case. Note Massimo’s comment on his silverware placement as a “completely arbitrary convention.”

    My apologies if I haven’t expressed my concerns clearly.

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  4. Michael J Ahles

    I found the absolute certainty that connects everything through the process of simplification and the help of some dear friends. Einstein taught me to simplify. Michelangelo told me to study nature to find truth. I found the truth alone a river. Thomas Jefferson taught me “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”. Equality was expounded in me by Gandhi, Lincoln, and King. Protagoras said “men are the measure of all things,” but if we are truly equal then man is immeasurable. I questioned measure, have you? Seneca exiled on a rock introduced me to Justice, she was only fair until her blindfold was removed and she threw away her scale. Mathematically The Professor’s energy and mass equation was reduced and the equation he died searching for was found. The people of Ulm are mathematicians don’t you know? Einstein was from Ulm! So I went to Ulm and crawled into a stove with Descartes. I found I too. The Eastern Masters led me to One. When all is equal all is One. Science became a dice game, low is me. Heisenberg wrote the Uncertainty Principle. Science is Uncertain. Religion needs faith. Boethius, poor Boethius saw it too. Socrates believed questions led to truth, they truly do.

    There are many more people to thank, but without further ado, I most certainly would like to thank Massimo for this place to share.

    Thanks,
    =

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  5. brodix

    Tautology is balance. Which is equilibrium and that’s an absolute, as in universal state where all cancels out.
    Regression is the infinite.
    Axiomatic is faith.
    So we appeal to the absolute, the infinite, or faith.
    How about death and taxes?

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  6. Robin Herbert

    Hi Thomas,

    Yes, Robin, it’s also “true,” whether objective or not, that John, Mary and Simon can agree on a convention despite having different reasons for agreeing; and if Mary bails out the following day, it would be false to say there is an agreement regardless of her reasons for doing so.

    None of which contradicts the statement “John, Mary and Simon agreed on a such-and-such a convention” being objectively true.

    Note that “John, Mary and Simon agreed on convention X” and “There is an agreement on a convention between John, Mary and Simon” are different propositions and the truth or otherwise of the second does not in any way imply anything about the truth or falsity of the first.

    “No longer having an agreement” is in no way inconsistent with “Having come to an agreement”.

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  7. Thomas Jones

    Robin, I’m not going to engage in arguing over which dead horse it makes more sense to beat. You could report that John, Mary, and Simon have agreed that the earth is flat and call their agreement objectively true, I would still roll my eyes. Uncle, brother.

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  8. Robin Herbert

    Hi ontologicalrealist

    “A is not ~A
    Is that a certain truth?”

    I would call it more a definition. If someone had an A which was ~A then they would mean sonething else by ~ than I do.

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  9. Robin Herbert

    And yes, someone will no doubt bring ip.quantum physics, but if you claim that something that is spin up is not spin down and that something can be simultaneously spin up and spin down then you are using at least one of these term in a way that I don’t understand.

    If a particle can be simultaneously spin up and spin down then spin-up does not imply ~spin down.

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  10. Thomas Jones

    As I see it, Robin, you just stumbled and made my point for me, despite your insistence on clearing the table, so to speak, of any silverware that might detract from the triviality of your position. Yes, an agreement is an agreement, despite compromises regarding same and the small print, and a treaty is a treaty even when another party to it has no choice but to agree to its terms. There is no need to burden the topic with appeals to the objectivity of a such claims when they are vacuous outside lesson books.

    But, really, I have no interest in trading exchanges with you in particular. I was more interested in the language being utilized and some of the examples given by Massimo to illustrate his point about whether there was certainty about no certainty, or not, along with Robert’s point about provisional aspects that apparently are immaterial to you and your argument.

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  11. Robin Herbert

    Hi Thomas,

    I think you probably ought to clarify what your position is before declaring victory

    As for certainty, it seems to depend upon whatever someone means by certainty. It seems to me to be one of those concepts that crumbles on close examination.

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  12. Coel

    Hi All,

    Just trying to ensure that I interpret what is being said correctly:

    If John, Mary and Simon agree upon such-and-such a convention then then it is objectively true that John, Mary and Simon have agreed upon such-and-such a convention.

    The “objectively true” in that sentence presumably means that it is genuinely the case in the external world, and thus is objectively correspondence-true. Thus correspondence truth is what truth actually is — as seems to be tacitly assumed in most of these comments — and the mentions of other things such as coherentism, infinitism and foundationalism are just discussions of systems that try to approximate to correspondence truth.

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  13. Robin Herbert

    Hi Coel,

    Yes. In fact I was just about to say that coherentism was probably superfluous given a correspondence theory of truth.

    But on the other hand it all pretty much depends on a foundational axiom that there is a real world and that there was one at the time of these events. I don’t actually have any doubts on the matter but I don’t think I could quantify my certainty about the matter.

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  14. Coel

    Hi Robin,

    But on the other hand it all pretty much depends on a foundational axiom that there is a real world …

    Or put such “axioms” in the Quinean web and keep going round the iterative loop (coherence and correspondence), as in my first comment. Hence no foundation and no claim to certainty, but it demonstrably works. Thus an account of “truth” as being correspondence is then a product of the Quinean-web interations, just like everything else.

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  15. Thomas Jones

    Excuse me, Massimo, but WordPress sucks. I just wrote three paragraphs in response to Robin. Now they are gone. They were good. But let me try to start over.

    Victory, Robin? Nothing could be further from my mind. Try to understand that, as I’ve already stated, I have no interest in addressing you in particular. Massimo suggested upthread in a comment to Robert, I think, that your statement upthread was not trivial. I disagree. I think it is. From there, it became “you said this,” “I said that” between us. That’s not why I read MP’s blogs.

    I’m retired now and have been reading MP’s blogs since then. I comment less than I once did because I realize there are some really bright minds–including yours–that weigh into these discussions. Things have tended over time to get nasty as evidenced by the latest, prior discussion. It’s a road I don’t want to travel, despite my propensity to be brusque and sarcastic in the eyes of others. Then, there are commenters, like Imad Zaheer, who invariably make decent comments that no one engages. Personally, I would “like” his comments if I felt adequate to evaluate them, but like many here my approach takes the usual route–a sentence or two to compliment the author of the article before weighing in with reservations.

    I’m retired now.. My interest in science and philosophy remain realistically abeyant–too much ground to make up, given where I’m at. My interests are in language and how it is used, along with ethical and political considerations. Other than those areas, it’s pretty much the everyday realities that press upon me most, like many others here, that occupies most of my time.

    I regret that you would even mention victory to me. Frankly, I find the thought of such insulting whether you personally believe it or not. That’s it for me on this post. I’ve already given you my “uncle” which in the US is a “tap out.” If that isn’t sufficient, I don’t really think you’d want to be within three feet of me at this point in time. I think Mary, John, and Simon would be in agreement with me on this matter.

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  16. Robin Herbert

    I imagine that if anyone made an agreement with someone and then the next day that person said “I have changed my mind and therefore it is not true that we made an agreement” I doubt that they would find that reasoning convincing, or the matter trivial.

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  17. Robin Herbert

    H Thomaai,

    “Victory, Robin? Nothing could be further from my mind.”

    Really? Here is what you said:

    “As I see it, Robin, you just stumbled and made my point for me, despite your insistence on clearing the table, so to speak, of any silverware that might detract from the triviality of your position.”

    Sorry that I took that as some sort of declaration of victory.

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  18. Robin Herbert

    Anything only demonstrably works if those demonstrations of it working actually happened. If you just popped into existence a second ago and will pop out of existence in a second then they didn’t happen. So basically all you can say is that it seems to have worked.

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  19. davidlduffy

    I have read the contention that there are actually a lot of things we know with certainty in science and in ordinary life, that will not be overturned by any future revisions of scientific knowledge. One simple example given was “the circulation of the blood” – at one time an astonishingly bold theory, but now completely unremarkable, but there are a squillion other eg the roundedness of the earth, and that I won’t suddenly intermingle my posterior with the seat I am sitting on. The deeper foundations these assertions lie upon may be uncertain in the sense that (a) there is no physical theory yet unifying all forces, what is time, etc etc and b) yes, I might be a BiV, or cannot trust my senses. In the case of (a), no matter what deeper theory is accepted, it won’t change the examples above in the way they are stated. As for (b), it is boring, just as boring as arguing with flat earthers or YECs.

    “We know more than most philosophers will allow, but with less certitude than they demand.”

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  20. Massimo Post author

    Thomas,

    Sorry about losing your paragraphs. As a rule, if I need to write more than a few sentences I don’t go directly into WP, but write it on a Notepad app and then copy/paste. However, I must say that I haven’t lost anything on WP in a long while.

    Thomas, Robin,

    Seems to me you have both being going a bit harsh lately, and so have Garth, Dan, and occasionally Coel. I would ask again everyone to remind themselves that this is a forum for constructive discussion. One can put one’s opinion forth clearly and strongly, but there is no reason for insulting, sniping, and so forth. If this keeps going I will begin to give a “forced leave of absence” to selected people to see if we can bring the forum back to what I want it to be. Thanks.

    Robin,

    “then again, if you are a coherentist then you have adopted an axiom that knowledge is coherent, so you are also a foundationalist.”

    I don’t think so, coherence is something that can be argued for and verified, it doesn’t need to be assumed. Of course in verifying it the coherentist is temporarily assuming that he is thinking logically, that his brain is in order, etc. Each of those notions can, in principled, be defended separately, but each time using a different part of the web of beliefs.

    “A is not ~A
    Is that a certain truth?”

    No, it assumes the axioms of classical logic. May not hold given other axioms.

    David,

    “We know more than most philosophers will allow, but with less certitude than they demand”

    If someone is not interested in philosophical discussion, he is under no obligation to visit philosophy blogs and feel smug about dismissing the whole field. There are plenty of excellent science blogs where one adopts, rather than discuss, a particular view of epistemology and goes from there.

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  21. SocraticGadfly

    Thomas, your argument is ultimately with Massimo, not Robin, per his second-last paragraph, which ends:

    But once accepted, chess problems do admit of objectively true solutions (as well as of a large number of objectively false ones). This ought to clearly show that arbitrariness is not equivalent to lack of objectivity.

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  22. Coel

    Hi ontologicalrealist,

    A is not ~A. Is that a certain truth?

    As a radical scientismist I argue that even such basic logic as that is empirical and, further, that we know empirically that that statement is not always true. Quantum mechanics tells us that entities can be in a quantum superposition, effectively being both A and ~A, and where we are unable to distinguish A from ~A without disturbing the system.

    Thus the Law of Non Contradiction was adopted as an empirically derived model of real-world behaviour. It works very well when applied to the classical scale (on which wavefunctions can be assumed to have decohered) but it does not always work at the quantum scale.

    Hi Massimo,

    Seems to me you have both being going a bit harsh lately, and so have Garth, Dan, and occasionally Coel.

    Just for future reference, which of my recent comments do you regard as “a bit harsh”?

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  23. Massimo Post author

    Coel,

    Believe me, I’d love to help, but I’m not going to go over hundreds of comments concerning the past several posts to find good examples. I’ll try to point them out immediately the next time I see them. Be assured, however, that you barely made it on that list, recently the sniping has been strong in other quarters…

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