Recent psychological research has been interpreted as casting serious doubts on many crucial aspects of the human experience: that we have “free will” (it’s complicated, hence the scare quotes), that we are at the least capable of rational thinking, and even that we are conscious. Indeed, it has become both fashionable and a bit of a cottage industry to “show,” scientific data in hand, that all those facets of mentation simply do not exist, they are illusions, figments of our imagination (though nobody has really provided an account of why on earth we have them, as metabolically costly as the apparatus that makes them possible is). All of this, of course, despite the staggering crisis in the replicability of results from psychology, which ought to make anyone reading anything in that field a bit cautious before agreeing that we are lumbering rationalizing and self-deluded robots.
The latest salvo on this topic that I’ve come across is an article by Keith Frankish, an English philosopher and writer, published in Aeon magazine with the title “Whatever you think, you don’t necessarily know your mind.” Let’s take a look.
To begin with, the title itself is interesting — and I’m perfectly aware that authors often don’t get to pick the titles of their articles or books. “Whatever you think, you don’t necessarily know your mind.” Well, no, we don’t necessarily do, of course. That would be like arguing, say, that whatever we see with our eyes is necessarily a true reflection of the external world. But we know better: we understand about illusions, mirages, the unreliability of our senses under certain environmental conditions, and how internal states (e.g., being inebriated, or under the influence of drugs) may alter our visual perceptions, sometimes drastically so. Heck, people sitting in sensorial deprivation tanks often develop very vivid hallucinations that appear terrifyingly real to them, even though they know that there is nothing out there. So, taken at face value, the title of Frankish’s article argues for close to nothing: the question isn’t, and never has been, whether our access to our own thoughts is always reliable, but only whether it is reliable enough for the purposes of reflecting on what we do and why.
Frankish tells us that many philosophers think that we have privileged access to our inner thoughts, and that moreover this access is largely immune from error. I think the first part is hard to doubt (though people have tried), while the value of the second part hinges on just what “largely” means. There is no reason to think that our inner sense of awareness is more reliable than our outer senses, and it may be less so. Indeed, even our regular senses differ among themselves in both precision and reliability, just as they do for other animals. Our sense of smell, for instance, is poor compared to our vision, but for dogs it is the other way around.
Frankish briefly summarizes the ideas of two philosophers who fall outside of the mainstream as he defined it: Gilbert Ryle and Peter Carruthers. Ryle thought that we don’t actually learn about our inner thoughts via an inner sense, but rather from our own behavior, which means that other people, somewhat paradoxically, may know our mind better than we do. This, of course, is the behaviorist position that has (justifiably, in my opinion) been the butt of a number of jokes, such as: two behaviourists have just had sex; one turns to the other and says: “That was great for you, darling. How was it for me?”
Carruthers’ idea relies on empirical results in experimental social psychology (see caveat above!) demonstrating that at the least sometimes not only we are mistaken about what we think we think, but we confabulate, i.e., make up explanations for our behaviors that cannot possibly be true. A typical experiment, for instance, shows that when people are offered a choice of several identical items they tend to pick the one on the right. When asked to justify their (unjustifiable, since the things are all equal!) choice they invent some story to make sense of what they have done.
This shouldn’t be particularly surprising, since the brain is trying to make sense of a situation in which it is faced with a series of facts that appear to be in contradiction with each other. It then produces some hypothesis about what happened: well, those objects look like they are identical, but I picked one above the others, so there must have been a reason, so they cannot possibly really be identical with each other. Confabulation is a very interesting phenomenon, and something of which we all have to be aware. But is it enough to make the stronger claims that Carruthers, Ryle, and Frankish want to make?
In The Opacity of Mind, Carruthers speculates that we and other primates have evolved systems to reliably guess about other people’s thoughts and intentions, not our own, and that we then began to direct those same inferential tools toward our inner mental processes. Since we have additional sensory data when it comes to ourselves — not just our outward behavior, but also feelings, pains, perceptions, etc., then we think we can more reliably tell what is going on inside our own minds.
The genesis part of the theory is speculative, of course, and there probably is no way to actually test it, as in many other evolutionary psychological scenarios. But I don’t have any problem with the idea that part of what constitutes our conscious thinking is an interpretation of our largely unconscious thoughts, making them explicit. The issue is that that isn’t the only thing we do consciously. We can also challenge our own subconscious thoughts, deliberately go after their logical implications, evaluate how they square with our beliefs and priorities, and so forth.
Which brings me to the major example brought forth by Frankish in support of Carruthers-type interpretations of conscious thinking. Turns out that we are all, deep down, “racists.” Meaning that psychological experiments (again, see caveat above!) seem to show that — when we are not paying attention — even people who claim to be opposed to racism behave in ways that indicate a subconscious level of racial bias. From this, Frankish concludes: “Such behaviour is usually said to manifest an implicit bias, which conflicts with the person’s explicit beliefs. But [Carruthers’] theory offers a simpler explanation. People think that the stereotypes are true but also that it is not acceptable to admit this and therefore say they are false. Moreover, they say this to themselves too, in inner speech, and mistakenly interpret themselves as believing it. They are hypocrites but not conscious hypocrites.”
I beg to differ. First off, it isn’t clear by what measure of “simpler” this second interpretation would allegedly satisfy Occam’s razor better than the implicit bias explanation. Most importantly, though, no, sorry, when I say that I firmly believe people should be treated equally regardless of their ethnic background I’m not lying, nor am I being a hypocrite, unwittingly or not. What I’m doing is to consciously override my unconscious biases, on the basis of rational deliberation over the issue. That is what makes human beings so different from any other animal on earth, so far as we know, and it is a precious thing indeed. But of course if you don’t believe that we are conscious, and if you believe that we always confabulate, then your must conclude that people are latent hypocrites, about everything. Which raises the obvious self-referential question: was Frankish just confabulating when he wrote the Aeon article?

Hi Massimo,
You may not call an unconscious racial bias ‘racism’ but Frankish does. Neither of you are right or wrong, you are just using terms differently. When he says we are all racists, he means we all have an unconscious racial bias, so conscious racism is irrelevant to his point.
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But, DM, if you follow his point all the way through, as I already have, there is no “Frankish” to call “we” or “other people” racists in the first place.
And, related, there is no “Frankish” to tell “me” what a word means on his theory either. 🙂
I love the sound of hoisting people by their own petards early in the morning, to riff on “Apocalypse Now.”
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Re-reading my own comment this AM, I realized that it was so brief, it could be taken amiss.
My point was to agree with Massimo, but also to go further, to undercut the basis of presumptions that we are so definable by our evolutionary heritage, our relationships with other primates, or the wiring of our brains, that we are doomed to understand ourselves as meat-robots acting in a programmed fashion we can never over. That is to miss the rich social environment in which we find ourselves, the complex and myriad variety of response which we have at our commands, the complicated relationship between our emotions and our reason, as was recently discussed here on another topic.
It’s not that we can’t learn from neurosciences or ethology or genetics – obviously we can. But interpreting what we learn there is going to be extraordinarily difficult because the details are such that we can frame them into any picture we choose, and that becomes problematic if we are trying to draw any portrait of ourselves.
The problem with human consciousness is that it sees itself everywhere and finds itself nowhere. Our better novels tell us more about human psychology than neurosciences ever will; our better plays and films show us more about human behavior than ethology ever can; our evolutionary history only assures us that we are left at a point on a long road with no certain destination, and only patches of the past pieced together with difficulty and incompletely. Genetics is not destiny, it is just another set of dice rolled on a gamble with fate; but is we who choose to roll them and how to read them when played.
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Hi Socratic,
I see that as another issue. I think Massimo badly missed the mark with how he dealt with the racism issue. One needn’t be go full-denialist (never go full-denialist!), claiming there is no “I” to make the claim that we are all racists, and this was all I was concerned with because I think otherwise Massimo’s response to the article is fair enough.
But anyway, it’s not clear to me that Frankish does go that far. I guess I’ll bite, even though I have no horse in this race.
Frankish never says there is no “we”. He says that our unconscious mind does a lot more work than we give it credit for, and then we confabulate to explain what it has done. Even if we take what he is saying in its most extreme sense, then there still is a Frankish, but Frankish is (like the rest of us) a creature largely driven by the part of him we call his unconscious mind. Frankish’s unconscious mind has produced the ideas that he has confabulated into the article he has written.
I would note (and here I’m expecting you to whip out a dictionary definition again, but bear with me) that just because it is confabulation doesn’t necessarily mean it is inaccurate. By confabulation, I mean a process by which we concoct a story to try to make sense of what our unconscious mind is doing. Experiments can demonstrate confabulation by showing cases where these stories are demonstrably false, but it may be the case that the stories are usually mostly true. So just because an article is produced by a confabulated interpretation of the workings of the unconscious mind does not mean that it can be disregarded. It’s certainly not self-defeating to write such an article.
So no, I don’t think he is hoisted by his own petard, whether or not he is right in what he is saying.
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Oh, he may not explicitly say, direct quote, there is no we.
But, his last graf, where he says that with select exceptions, ALL our actions are fully unconscious, he clearly intends that. And, yes, if there is no conscious “Frankish,” then “Frankish” didn’t write the article.
So, I think he’s wrong and hoist by his own petard. And per a “like” star, our host obviously agrees.
Also, if there is a degree of confabulation, that doesn’t mean everything is confabulated.
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Basically, what “Frankish” is saying (and in the spirit of petards, I plan to use the scare quotes around the name of the unconscious authorial cutout in further comments) is, if you don’t like behaviorism, is that we are all physics black boxes. Nothing to see in the box itself. Just the radiation outside.
Or, nothing to see in the “box” itself.
And, to quote Rhett Butler from “Gone with the Wind”:
” ‘Frankish,’ my dear, I don’t give a damn.”
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Hi Socratic,
No he doesn’t. Even if all our actions are unconscious, there is still a Frankish. Frankish is his unconscious mind, and his unconscious mind might be brilliant.
I mean, for me at least, musical composition is not something I really do consciously. Melodies or chord sequences just come to me. I don’t for instance usually go through an algorithm to produce them. I suspect the difference between me and Mozart is that his unconscious mind is a genius and mine is not.
No, because Frankish is his unconscious mind. Or at least his unconscious mind is a part of Frankish (there might be parts of Frankish that are not his unconscious mind, for instance his confabulating mind, his body, etc).
Unsurprisingly, since he made a similar point. But I disagree with both of you (more you than Massimo, who just pointed out that Frankish seems to imply that his own article is confabulated, something Frankish might actually agree with for all I know).
I say all this despite not necessarily agreeing with Frankish. I certainly wouldn’t go so far as to say there is no conscious mind.
But I don’t think it is correct to suggest that it is self-refuting to argue that we have no conscious mind. This is in character rather like those arguments against determinism that go something like “Why should I pay any attention to what you were saying if you were just determined to say that?”. I expect you might endorse such arguments but I don’t. Where an argument came from has no bearing on that argument’s validity. To say the argument is self-defeating because it is produced by an unconscious (or determined) process is to fall prey to the genetic fallacy.
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Well, you don’t know what “Frankish” intends … because, if you buy his theory, there is no “DM” to correctly (or incorrectly) interpret “Frankish.” And the use of scare quotes expands!
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Hi Socratic,
Honestly, I wonder if you have been paying attention to what I have been saying at all, because the response to that is obvious:
There is a “DM” and it is my unconscious mind.
I mean, you seem to be operating from a position that your unconscious mind is not part of you but an external tool or something that you use from time to time. I don’t think that’s right at all. Our unconscious minds are a massive part of who we are as far as I’m concerned.
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Of course, to believers in p-zombies, “Frankish” is arguably just one o them critters.
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In case it’s not clear (and I guess it’s not) I’m operating from the principle that allegedly being unconscious by nature is being lacking in full personhood. (Note carefully “by nature”; I am not considering deep coma victims, etc., lacking in full personhood under traditional versions of consciousness.)
“Frankish” could have helped his cause a LOT if, in this original essay, he hadn’t ended with his last graf as he did, and had instead noted what his conscious-level exceptions were.
But, he didn’t, so, until he hauls his unconsciousness out of his black box is “Frankish.”
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Hi Socratic,
That may be, but then it just means “Frankish” is not a person, not that there is no “Frankish”. “Frankish” is the p-zombie that wrote the article. Whether the argument in the article is reasonable or not is a separate issue.
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Here is Frankish’s concluding paragraph:
“If our thoughts and decisions are all unconscious, as the ISA theory implies, then moral philosophers have a lot of work to do. For we tend to think that people can’t be held responsible for their unconscious attitudes. Accepting the ISA theory might not mean giving up on responsibility, but it will mean radically rethinking it.”
IMO, this is a mess, starting with the conditional structure of the first sentence. Regardless of what ISA theory implies, moral philosophers have always had a lot of work to do. Then, note the shift in terminology from unconscious thoughts and decisions to “unconscious attitudes” in the second. Finally, we get the wishy-washy hedging of his final sentence. Presumably, if ISA theory holds, the “radical rethinking” of responsibility will take place unconsciously, providing fertile ground for psychologists to dig into.
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And always will. And trying to over-simplify something we don’t understand very well isn’t going to further our understanding. It reminds me of Ernst Mayr’s disparaging of population genetics by calling it “bean bag genetics”. We get fooled into thinking we know much more than we do.
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Michael, I’m not sure whether you are taking issue with my lack of appreciation for Frankish’s conclusion. If you are, I wish you’d elaborate.
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The conclusion’s not reasonable, therefore in “Frankish’s” alt-world (maybe he believes in MUH too?), he’s a p-zombie. Of course, they don’t exist in the real world, and neither does “Frankish” nor any alleged reasonableness to his conclusion.
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Socratic,
“Plenty of well-read people simply reject that differences between so-called races are minimal.”
Yes, well-read intelligent people can get the facts wrong. You can call it “willful ignorance” but that plugging of the ears also comes from operating on bad facts, likely indoctrinated into them by their parents and/or community.
“But, ignorant without the qualifier? Sorry, no.”
No need to apologize. The qualifier you refer to is part of my argument. If they are willfully, or stubbornly, refusing to accept facts it is because their tribal/xenophobic instinct was initiated by having been taught the “erroneous facts” in the first place. My argument is that the instinct to be tribal/xenophobic is in there just waiting to be triggered by the facts, be they correct facts or erroneous facts.
“Oh, and “erroneous facts”? I think you just won the oxymoron of the year award or something.”
It’s my favourite oxymoron. We all have some erroneous facts floating around in our head. Some of us have more than others, but no doubt we all have a few..Things we believe are facts because we were taught they are facts by people we believed to be completely credible. But they were wrong and now we have an erroneous fact in our head. Something you know for a fact that isn’t a fact.
The main thrust of my argument is that humans are far more alike emotionally and intellectually than it appears because everyone is operating on different facts about the way the world actually is.Some have correct facts. Some have erroneous facts. Some have ample facts. Some have insufficient facts. If we were all operating on the same set of facts, that world would not be paradise, except compared to this world, where everyone is operating on different sets of facts. I’m saying the vast majority of problems between human individuals and tribes are cause by erroneous or insufficient facts.
Again, everyone was racist before Darwin. They had no good reason not to be. Fact lives matter! 😉
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Thomas – I agree with you.
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garth, I think most of us understand how you are using the word fact, but most I think find it idiosyncratic. I recently had a long discussion with a FB friend who was trying to argue that sarcasm is not humor but, to his thinking, merely passive aggression. On another front, I argued to no avail with a Methodist minister that he was engaging in a no true scotsman argument when he insisted that no real Christian could vote for Donald Trump.
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Michael, thanks. That makes me explicitly relieved. 🙂
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Though I usually like the concrete, it seems to me that abstraction has a lot to with explicit racism and bias. “All black people are /X’ is pretty abstract.
And the ability to abstract starts very young. When my daughter was learn to talk she called all round things — from peas to beach balls — balls. If she said ‘ball’ we had to figure out from the context whether she wanted to eat or play.
I would guess it very easy for kids to pick up over generalizations about people too.
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“The notion that neuroscience has anything to say about psychology is laughable. The notion that ethology has anything to tell us about human behaviour is laughable, the notion that biological evolution or genetics has anything tell us about human behavior is laughable.”
These comments made me laugh out loud. Thanks for the comedy.
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Thomas,
I’m not quite sure I follow your point. Let me put my point this way and get your take it from this angle. I think if I asked anyone who is not racist why we should not be racist they will give me a bunch of facts for reasons. I am proposing that not being racist is not a moral obligation, but rather, it follows from the facts. Seeing it as a moral obligation is not only a category error IMO, it is an unworkable and counterproductive view of the matter.
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>My point was to agree with Massimo, but also to go further, to undercut the basis of presumptions that we are so definable by our evolutionary heritage, our relationships with other primates, or the wiring of our brains, that we are doomed to understand ourselves as meat-robots acting in a programmed fashion we can never over.
Ah! That makes more sense. Hyperbole? –my wife’s favorite rhetorical device — -{P_)=
Thermodynamic properties like pressure and temperature are the product of the particle properties, but cannot be understood in terms of those properties. Rather various concepts of collective affects have to be added. Thus I like to referrer to this kind of science as constructive rather than pejoratively reductive.
So I imagine something similar for the higher animal/human functions, i.e., that while there is an underlying physical/biological process what we might loosly call ‘collective’ effects need to be understood and there are likely new concepts are needed. Statistical Mechanics will not be sufficient.
I have no idea what those concepts might be. We’re not going to figure them out w/o some understanding of the lower levels, so neurobiology is relevant. It’s just not everything and Silicon might or might not work as well.
What I do insist on (till proven wrong) is that whatever is going on it is a physical process.
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Hi cousin SG: At least for me ‘like’ doesn’t always mean agree. Often it does, but not always. I don’t know about Massimo, but I live for a Massimo like :_). whether he agrees or not.
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‘Me’: “But officer that was’t me speeding, it was my internal auto-pilot. I was thinking about p-zombies.”
Officer: “Registration and License, please”
‘Me’: “I have an EEG to prove it” (Removing ‘my’ hat to show a mass of wires instead of hair)
Officer: “Please, get out of the car, Sir…”
The officer talks quietly into his mic.
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->The officer talks quietly into his mic.
Continued…
Officer: “I got another Zombie, Mabel, send the team…”
he officer talks quietly into his mic.
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garth, I think I see where you’re headed on this subject. First, let me say that, speaking personally, I can’t envision ever asking another person “who is not racist why we should not be racist” and await to be convinced a recital of factual statements. On the other hand, I have friends who many here would consider to be racist and who make racist statements, and I have occasionally had futile discussions with them regarding the basis for their feelings and beliefs. Usually, their arguments are based on early life experiences or anecdote or what I feel were misguided and misbegotten value judgments. But the real reason I think I grew up being anti-racist in the deep south in New Orleans was my mother, a first generation Italian who experienced first-hand ethnic slurs and stereotyping. We were not allowed to use the “n” word in our home. And she was astute enough to recognize that racism was no different than ethnic or religious slurs; it was just a matter of who and what was being targeted. None of her approach involved fact-gathering per se, just some elemental critical thinking and an insistence that we try to be circumspect before making judgments. She never insisted that we take activist positions to convince others of our positions, but she had an abiding interest in our sensibilities regarding fair-play.
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It’s more than an oxymoron, Garth. There are no “erroneous facts.” There may be “erroneous factoids” but that’s entirely different.
Nor is “willfully ignorant” included in the normal definition of “ignorant.” That’s why the adverbial modifier is used.
Is it something in the water across the pond, these linguistic errors? (Unless you’re from Down Under or the Frozen Tundra; I saw the “-our” version of “color” in one of your comments.)
Be sure to share the Fun Guy brownies with “DM” and Coel. (No scare quote for him, as I’ve not seen him weigh in yet on this issue.)
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“Everyone was racist before Darwin”? Another erroneous factoid.
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