Against The Four: Amazon, Apple, Facebook, and Google

Amazon Apple Facebook Google“The Four” are the giant tech companies Amazon, Apple, Facebook and Google. You can read all about why they are a problem in Scott Galloway’s informative book, The Four: The Hidden Dna of Amazon, Apple, Facebook, and Google. Galloway is a Professor at NYU’s Stern School of Business, where he teaches brand strategy and digital marketing. He is also the founder of several firms including L2, Red Envelope, and Prophet. In 2012, he was named “one of the world’s 50 best business school professors” (no, this isn’t an oxymoron) by Poets & Quants. Moreover, he has served on the boards of Eddie Bauer, The New York Times Company, Gateway Computer, and Berkeley’s Haas School of Business. In other words, this is someone who knows a lot about corporate culture, and not at all a left wing moralist such as myself.

(If you don’t have time to read the book, look at these two articles that turned me onto it, in Wired magazine, and over at the BBC.)

In a nutshell, the problem with The Four is that they simply have far too much power in our lives, both in terms of the information they store about us (and how they use it), and of their financial muscle, which of course easily turns into political influence. From the BBC article:

“The four most important tech companies aren’t even just tech companies anymore. They each have embedded themselves in our lives, hugely influencing us by playing to our basic human instincts: from the eternal human search for answers to our need for love. … [Galloway] also says that the companies’ deep pockets and massive customer base are what allow the companies to start competing in different sectors and industries – like how Amazon is now producing original TV content, or how Facebook has more or less emerged as a news media platform. That has prompted scepticism and warnings from critics at places like the New York Times and Bloomberg.”

And that was before Amazon bought Whole Foods, for instance. You can dig into the details yourself, no point for me to repeat here easily found material. My objection to The Four is ethical: I am generally skeptical of any concentration of power, especially in the private sector (but not only: governments are a little better to the extent that they really are accountable to their people by means of a not too dysfunctional democracy. The US Government does not, at this point, qualify, for instance). But I also recognize that these and other tech companies have made possible a wonderful number of things, including, of course, this very blog (which in its initial incarnation, Rationally Speaking, was hosted by Google, with essays that were for many years written on a MacBook or an iPad, and are still broadcasted via Facebook).

Moreover, I am certainly not an anti-technologist. On the contrary, until recently I was a very early adopter of new technologies. I bought the first iPhone, and then an iPad (and then an iPad Pro, which replaced my laptop), signed up on Facebook very early on, have used Amazon for many years, and have a very very long browser history with Google.

And before you accuse me of naivete, I am perfectly aware that The Four aren’t the only giant tech companies to be wary of (add Twitter, Verizon, Samsung, just for starters), and the list gets far longer when one moves to large corporations in general. Ultimately, I think the only reasonable and effective way to curb corporate power is by legislation, along the model of the famous breakup of Bell back in 1982. As a society, we want innovation, and we certainly want private entities to benefit from their work. But innovation needs competition, not near monopolies, and benefiting from one’s work does not equate creating a very small class of ultra-billionaires who exploit their workers (like Amazon certainly does), including in other countries (like Apple equally certainly does).

But while we are waiting for governments to take action (more likely in Europe than in the US, at the moment — see Galloway’s take here), it doesn’t mean we have to be complicit enablers. I try to practice what in philosophy is called virtue ethics, which means that my first focus is on improving my own character, which in turn requires acting as virtuously (in the Greco-Roman, not the Christian sense) as possible. It follows, it seems to me, that I need to extricate myself as much as possible from The Four, as an initial step.

And that’s where I discovered two interesting things, which are the main objects of this post. First, it is much harder than one might at first imagine. Second, you are unlikely to get a lot of support even from friends and family, who might even exhibit hostility to your intentions. Let me explain.

They are called The Four for a reason. They are everywhere, and next to impossible to avoid, unless you are willing to completely disengage from the Internet. In the postscript, I detail the steps I have taken so far, in case anyone else wishes to try it. You can thank me later for having saved you endless hours of web searching (using DuckDuckGo, of course…).

Apple was actually the easiest to get rid of. Because their ecosystem is so tight and positively discourages any contact with the outside, once you decide to get out of it, you pretty much have to go the whole nine yards. This pained me, because I have been an Apple fan ever since I ditched Microsoft because of the poor quality of their products, back in 2004. But just a couple of weeks later, I hardly miss my iPad and iPhone, and I most certainly don’t miss the Watch, one of the most intrusive gadgets ever made.

Next was Amazon. The big steps here were to stop shopping on their online store (easy, plenty of alternatives), to replace the Kindle with one of several other high quality e-book readers, and to begin to direct readers of my own books to either publishers’ web sites or other e-book stores. of course, the bulk of my collection of books is on Amazon, but I’ll eventually get it back by way of available software that decrypts the files and turns them into the popular epub format. I still watch Amazon videos, because they are good and not available elsewhere. Before you accuse me of hypocrisy, however, keep in mind that the goal is to minimize my footprint on The Four, so to speak, not to eliminate them from my life altogether. It’s an incremental project, not a revolution.

Which brings me to Google. In a sense, I actually increased my use of their products, since now my office suite is the Google one, replacing Apple’s iWorks. But it is a temporary transition dictated by limited time available to search for long term suitable alternatives, and by the need not to disrupt several ongoing collaborative works. And at any rate, I hit Google where it hurts, their web search engine, which produces their advertisement revenues and is of course highly invasive of our privacy. DuckDuckGo does an excellent replacement job.

Finally, Facebook. This was the hardest, again unless I was willing to forgo keeping in touch with (real) friends and family, and also to give up my outreach presence (my “official” philosophy page, my participation to the largest online Stoic community, and a few other things). What I did was to get rid of their obnoxious Messenger app, as well as “unlike” and “unfollow” a crapload of pages that were, of course, generating lots of targeted advertisements. I am now using Facebook with a very small and tightly guarded circle of actual friends and family, as well as for the above mentioned outreach, nothing else.

So the bottom line of the first point is that this exercise showed me very clearly just how dependent our lives have become from The Four. Perhaps this should not have been surprising, but experiencing the full measure of it in such a short period was eye opening. The other thing that was eye opening relates the second point: the comparative lack of support, and occasionally more or less overt hostility, I got from friends and family (and, I’m sure, from some readers, now that I’ve put this out).

When I explained what I was doing and why, a good number of people were puzzled, and began immediately to mount arguments against my enterprise. “It’s useless.” “You won’t succeed” “It’s going to cost you a lot of money and time.” “What do you have against corporations?” “Are you a Luddite?” “Why do you hate America?” Okay, I made up the last one, but the others have been thrown at me fast and furious during the past few weeks.

So I patiently explained: no, I’m not a Luddite; on the contrary, I’ve always been an early user of especially electronic technology. No, it isn’t really that expensive (as I’m sure everyone knows, Apple alternatives in terms of phones and tablets are incredibly cheap by comparison). Yes, it took me some time, but I was helped by others who have similar objections and have done much of the legwork for me, and at any rate, it’s an ethical decision, it would be a bit too easy if it didn’t cost me money or time or effort.

My attitude toward corporations is the one already explained above. I am perfectly aware that if it weren’t Apple it would be someone else, but that’s not an argument about disinvesting from Apple. It’s the social activism equivalent of what in biology is called frequency dependent selection: you go for the rare phenotype, which eventually becomes the dominant, at which point you switch to the new rare, and so on.

In terms of success and utility, it depends on what one’s goal is. I am perfectly aware that Apple, Google and the others are not going to feel the pinch of my decisions. But from a virtue ethical perspective that’s not the objective: I just don’t want to be personally co-responsible for what they are doing. Moreover — and that’s why I’m writing this post and promoting Galloway’s book — if enough others do the same, the damage will be greater and greater, and it might bring about change.

Also, again in terms of success, as I said above my goal was never to completely disengage from The Four, only to distance myself from them. Many years ago I read Peter Singer’s How Are We to Live?: Ethics in an Age of Self-Interest, and it changed my life. No, I did not become a utilitarian like Singer, but I was struck by one of the first things he says in that book: don’t try to do everything at once, you will be overwhelmed, get discouraged, and fail. Instead, decide what your ethical priorities are, and then make some small but concrete steps in that direction. I discussed How Are We to Live? at a book club I founded in Knoxville, TN, and my wife at the time and I were talking about it on our way back home. We decided to follow Peter’s advice: we sold our house in the suburbs and moved downtown, near the bus lines and where we could bicycle to work; we also sold one of our two cars. Our life improved as a result, our carbon footprint went down, and we felt good about the decision. The current anti-Four action is along similar lines: I’m doing something, not everything, because I can do the former, but not the latter.

I thought my explanations were reasonable and cogent. One may still disagree, and indeed one may even agree with my take and still not act in a similar fashion, for all sorts of reasons. But my arguments hardly made I dent. Some people seemed not just to disagree with me, but to positively resent my chosen course of action. What was going on?

Then it hit me. It’s the same reaction I got when I stopped eating meat, and that my partner gets every time people find out she is a vegetarian. The same objections are immediately raised: it’s useless; it’s difficult; what’s wrong with the meat industry?; are you an environmental nuts?; do you feel somehow superior to the rest of?; why do you hate America??

It’s the next to the last one that should give you the clue. At least in my judgment, a lot of people who are not vegetarian recognize, at some level, that vegetarians have by far the better argument: no matter how you look at the issue — in terms of animal suffering, environmental degradation, treatment of labor, or even pure and simple self interest when it comes to health — vegetarianism is better. But it’s harder, too. Stakes are delicious; burgers are delightful; and everyone eats them, so it’s easier to just go along with the habit. But when you meet someone who is bucking the trend, and you are dimly aware that she has made the right choice and you haven’t, resentment kicks in. She simply must be mistaken, and you begin to rattle out a number of more or less incoherent “arguments” for why that is “obviously” the case.

I think something similar has been going on with my anti-Four strategy over the past few weeks. A number of my friends and family realize that I’m onto something (and Galloway’s book gives me plenty of well researched ammunitions, as well as the comfort to know that there are others who think and act the same). But it’s too hard, or expensive, or just inconvenient for them to follow suit. So I must be wrong. And once you know someone is wrong then you immediately begin to search for all the flaws in their reasoning, while ignoring the big ones in your own. It’s a well known cognitive fallacy.

Be that as it may. My conscience feels slightly better, in the same way and measure in which similar small decisions (to not eat meat, to try to shop locally, to voluntarily pay carbon footprint offsets when I travel by air, to change bank because my old one was a giant corporate monster, and so forth) have made me feel better. Is this going to change the world? Of course not. But what are you doing to help, right now?

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Postscript: Massimo’s (ongoing) anti-Four plan. Each item lists a service or product offered by Amazon, Apple, Facebook or Google, followed by a suitable, or at least less objectionable, alternative. All of these have already been implemented, it took about a week to switch completely. Remember, the goal is not perfection, just progress. Readers’ suggestions for further improvements are welcome.

Amazon > myriad alternative online retailers, obviously

Amazon Kindle > Nook, Kobo, Sony, etc.

(My) Amazon books > wherever possible I changed links to direct readers to the publishers themselves instead of the A-store

Amazon Video > Hulu, Netflix, though I still use some Amazon Video because some of their productions are unique and good

Apple’s iPad > any Android tablet (even though Android is Google, each manufacturer uses it differently, and the platform is more open than Apple’s)

Apple’s iPhone > any Android phone, except Google’s own, obviously

Apple’s Watch > back to analogical (and more stylish!)

Apple’s TV > back to simple smart TV native apps

Apple’s Music > Pandora, Spotify, or similar

Apple’s Mail > Aqua Mail (which does not track your search history), or any of a number of alternative third party clients

Apple’s office productivity (iWorks) > Google office, as first step, then independent systems, ideally open source

Apple’s Safari browser > Firefox (which does not track your history), Google Chrome not acceptable

Facebook > un-liked most pages, tightened security, limited who can ask me for “friendship”

Facebook Messenger > eliminated in favor of simple sms, or third-party apps

Google search > DuckDuckGo (which does not track your search history)

Google navigator > this is a tough one (particularly since Apple Maps is neither acceptable for this project, nor good, really), though for instance CityMappers works very well for major cities

151 thoughts on “Against The Four: Amazon, Apple, Facebook, and Google

  1. labnut

    Bravo. I completely support what you are doing.

    Some other thoughts:
    1) use open source software wherever possible. For example, Linux, Libre Office, Gimp, etc
    2) Block all trackers. I use Ghostery
    3) Block all adverts. I use AdGuard on phone and PC.

    By blocking trackers and and adverts you drastically reduce the amount of information about you that is leaked onto the Internet.

    I have abandoned Facebook and stopped using Google+. But I am still tied to WhatsApp. This one I simply can’t do without. I am deeply worried by Facebook’s ownership of WhatsApp. I use no other social media.

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  2. davidlduffy

    People might also consider the Iridium browser – a privacy-enhanced Chrome. I use it for the very few websites that don’t work for my default firefox+privacy badger+adblock+unpaywall – curiously one of those is posting to this site, but only from linux.

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  3. labnut

    Massimo,
    re the reaction of others. For a while, as an experiment, I went completely dark on the Internet and this provoked a couple of snarky private comments that questioned my motivation. The reaction of others is a problem because the Internet has bound us in a new, and unparalleled way that has created new social expectations.

    I applaud what you are doing but I think you are ignoring a bigger and deeper problem. That is the manner in which companies are extracting increasing amounts of wealth for their management and shareholders, with the result that normal employees are left with a diminishing share of the wealth. It is pure, unalloyed greed, untempered by any moral considerations. We demand from our employees that they work longer hours. We starve them of benefits, while we award our management both handsome salaries and handsome benefits.

    We are on an unsustainable path. Every worker is also a consumer but workers with a diminishing share of the pie consume less. Then add in demographic changes such as fewer births and longer lifespans and the problem gets even worse. The consumption of people past retirement age drops off dramatically and unborn people will never consume anything. Then we outsource work to other countries. We also worship at the altar of efficiency so that we can use less people to make the product.

    These changes will result in an inexorable decline in consumption, and therefore growth until finally we have no growth. Business tries to compensate by inflating credit and thus stimulating consumption by indebted workers. This short term strategy can only result in another meltdown. They also compensate by creating more goods for the wealthy sector of the population. This is a rational strategy for them because the wealthy sector command far greater purchasing power than the workers. The result is that the working class will be under served with products of suitable variety and quality. But worse than that, will be the price inflation that follows as the products are priced according to what the wealthy can pay.

    I see an awful social disaster in the making. I don’t know what the answer is. The wealthy and the able will always, inevitably, learn how to subvert the system, so that they can claim increasing shares of wealth. This has been true of all societies and we see this process being perfected in our Western economies. It is as if we are draining morality from society so that we can enable greed.

    The corporate world needs to embrace a very simple but essential fact – you cannot sell anything to an unemployed worker and you sell very little to a lowly paid worker. Every worker that gets laid off was somebody’s customer. Every job you outsource to another country means a lost consumer. All the efficiency gains mean lost consumers.

    We managed these painful transitions in the past by shifting workers to new industries. But today the new industries are in other countries so this strategy is no longer available.

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  4. 4963andypop

    Interesting post. Kudos to you for trying to divest from such omnipresent entities. I could help thinking, as you mentioned The Four repeatedly, of the Agatha Christie mystery The Big Four, which also seemed to be surrounded with layers of conspiracy, but turned out (spoiler alert)to be the work of a single madman in love. Just as modern man has an unrequited love for technology.

    Also i cant help but giggle at your intentional or unintentional use of the word weary instead of wary–both are true!

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  5. Philip Thrift

    Socratic,

    I started my (just the free version) WordPress blog 3 years ago after many years on Blogger. I didn’t move any content, just started something completely new. It’s all just writing HTML/CSS, same as before. One thing that might be a downside, there might be Plugins free for Blogger but for WordPress you have to upgrade to install Plugins. WordPress is easier to manage, thats for sure.

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  6. Alan White

    A very hearty second on LibreOffice–the management capability of all docs including PDFs is outstanding.

    I admire you Massimo–my own reformed behavior in these directions have been much more modest–you’ve given me a lot to think about.

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  7. brodix

    I guess I’m a bit outside the discussion anyway, having decided back in the 70’s the “rat race” wasn’t worth the time and effort. Won’t get too moralistic about it though, as I do coast along in the wake, but Scotty hasn’t beamed me up yet.

    Don’t go knocking Stihl power products, or Yamaha motorcycles, or I’d have to go over to the dark side.

    While Garth might be out to lunch, as to where the technological civilization is heading, I do see a serious economic implosion. David Stockman made the point recently/periodicially,(http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/the-albatross-of-debt-the-stock-markets-67-trillion-nightmare-part-1/) the amount of debt powering this economy is going parabolic and that never ends well, so it might be before two years the debt singularity is reached.

    As I keep arguing, this will be an opportunity to reframe basic economic concepts about the nature of money, that it functions as a social contract, but is treated as a commodity. Otherwise the solution those behind the big four and various other extremely wealthy people are preparing for, is disaster capitalism coming home. Consider it was recently mentioned that Warren Buffet and Berkshire Hathaway hold over a 100 billion in Federal debt. When that debt does become unsustainable, I can well see kindly old Uncle Warren offering to trade it for say, Interstate 70? Yellowstone Park? New York City Water Works? Anything else that can be used to generate a profit and further suck value out of everyone else.

    At which point the fact Facebook is creepy will be very small potatoes.

    What we are talking about here are feedback loops and sometimes the in your face ones are not the really big ones. The ones that are so foundational that they are largely taken for granted, until the jaws snap shut.

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  8. Massimo Post author

    labnut,

    “you are ignoring a bigger and deeper problem”

    I am not ignoring it at all, it’s just not the (direct) target of this particular action. I pretty much agree with your analysis, and I think that ultimately that’s a problem that can only be resolved at the legislative level. Once, of course, we get back a semblance of democracy by prohibiting corporate (or other special interest) contributions to political campaigns.

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  9. brodix

    labnut,

    Very much to the point. as my father used to putit; “You can’t starve a profit.”

    It’s not as though the wealthy are really thinking this through, so much as competing among their own, to accumulate more wealth than the next billionaire, to the detriment of the environment, society and economy producing that wealth in the first place. As I keep pointing out, when society was small, economics was reciprocal, because it was more efficient to share within the group, than personally hoard and store it, but as the population grew, accounting became necessary. So these notes function as receipts to the total wealth and are an economic circulation system, just like the heart and arteries are the body’s circulation and when it is malfunctioning the symptoms are similar, arteries and the heart clogged with too much fat, meanwhile poor circulation to the extremities. So it really isn’t that complicated, but the problem does go the whole belief system, as everyone wants to collect and store money as value, rather than understanding why it needs to circulate and value stored elsewhere. Otherwise ever more has to be added and ways found to store the excess. So we destroy the planet, in order for bankers to juggle financial promises.

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  10. brodix

    Massimo,

    given the degree to which the monetary system controls the political system, much as the circulation system can dictate to the nervous system, that is just not going to happen, until the entire process suffers a massive heart attack/stroke, which might not be that far away.
    The issue then will be having a way to change the narrative. Otherwise the neoliberal storyline will be that “the private sector will save us!” See above.

    Not trying to change the subject, but I do agree with the argument that the internet really is too new, on a civilizational scale, that there will be rough edges, but they also can get ground off just as suddenly. Think about that your “Big Four” doesn’t include Microsoft.

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  11. saphsin

    I think we need to approach people to break down changing their life style into pieces than adopting a whole new package at once. Personally, it’s much more inconvenient changing all of the above but I started off avoiding those that don’t take much effort or even that were better experiences, such as replacing Google Search with some others search engines.

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  12. saphsin

    I already avoided web services from Amazon, Apple, and Google. I don’t see much of an alternative for Google Maps though, but I don’t use it all that much when I have my car GPS.

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  13. Massimo Post author

    brodix,

    “Think about that your “Big Four” doesn’t include Microsoft.”

    When Microsoft was too big I purposely moved to Apple, which was then the little guy. As I said in the article, frequency dependent selection.

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  14. Massimo Post author

    saphsin,

    yes, as Singer says, piecemeal is the right way to go. I simply had a chunk of time, and sufficient resources, to do a bunch of things at once. And even so, my move is only partial. But yeah, there is increasingly less of an excuse for keep using Google when DuckDuckGo and other alternatives are available.

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  15. Eric Steinhart

    Massimo, I agree entirely with your assessment of The Four. I’m more skeptical about the near-term possibilities of change by pursuing alternatives — network effects are effects at scale. I’m not at all sure how to respond. I’m glad you’re pointing to the problem. – Eric

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  16. brodix

    Massimo,

    I did as well. There is one of those “lamp shade” imacs in a back room. That said, think that it’s a classic business cycle, where innovators give way to managers, Jobs to Cook. Which is a sign the wave has crested and now its mostly momentum. Not to say there hasn’t been innovation, but it has been more of an autopilot innovation, i.e.. momentum. Aka crapification. Which is very much part of a cycle. If you are getting off that wave, is the solution simply to find smaller waves with less crapification, but also less reach, or are there entirely different waves coming along? Possibly ones not centered around technology.

    Consider Garth as an example of where technology is taking us. Might there be deeper issues building and technology is like Rock and Roll in the sixties? Is AI going to beat out skyrocketing debt and an increasing economic stranglehold? With what? Smart Homes? Driverless cars?

    The US political system is starting to look like the USSR of 30 years ago. This situation is not stable.

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  17. SocraticGadfly

    OK, a few other tools to fight back.

    Apple? Just use less of their products, especially their mobile ones.

    Facebook? Use FB Purity as an add-on for your browser. Blocks most FB ads and controls the flow of other stuff.

    Amazon? Stop buying their shit. We’ve talked about alternatives on books. On cameras, B&H Photo Video or one of the other big NYC camera companies are alternatives. KEH has a lot of used stuff. On other things? Your local grocery or discount store. Remember that Amazon is like Walmart with the additional negatives of not even having local stores pay local taxes.

    Google? AdBlock Plus defeats the ad side of Google. Use Ghostery with caution. It does block cookies … but it then resells to third parties the information about the cookies its blocked.

    ==

    Bigger remedy?

    On Google, I think there’s a legit antitrust case. I don’t know how you’d split every part of it, but the ads and the search engine need to be in two separate companies. It’s another sign of how far US business regulation has fallen under BOTH “major” political parties that this hasn’t even been discussed.

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  18. SocraticGadfly

    Per Alan: Apache Open Office is another alternative to Microsoft Office.

    Per several: Mapquest is a mapping alternative to Google. That said, it is a part of the growing Verizon behemoth.

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  19. SocraticGadfly

    Oh, and if you’re on Google, do a fake search once in a while, like: “Where can I find gay porn of Eric Schmidt and Sergey Brin?” (Or similarly creative.)

    ==

    Per my previous comment, maybe we need to go back to paper more.

    Avoid Google Maps or Mapquest by keeping a Rand McNally atlas for North America, Michelin map of Europe or whatever in your car.

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  20. SocraticGadfly

    Oh, one more thing, that I’ve mentioned before?

    Ditch the smartphone.

    A “dumbphone” cell phone for calls and maybe texts is all people really need, anyway.

    You avoid being “always on” and avoid other people thinking you’re “always on.”

    And per Brodix, avoid jobs that think you need to be “Always on.”

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  21. Markk

    You didn’t mention what phone you replaced your iPhone with, but from context I will guess that it is an Android.

    But is that at all an improvement? You are merely going from one Big 4 provider to another – and Google is far worse than Apple in terms of privacy, due to their advertising-based business model. Apple goes to great lengths to protect the privacy of their users data, going so far as refusing FBI requests to hack their own OS during terrorism investigations.

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  22. garthdaisy

    I suggest everyone read The Economic Singularity by Calum Chace. I didn’t pull those numbers or that idea out of a hat. AI will take over most human jobs in two decades and virtually all human jobs in 3 decades. This is a conservative estimate by most current technology predictions Basic personal income will be brought in as this begins to happen, and then the AI robots will eventually make it unnecessary. They will be able to mine recourses, create products, including more AI robots, and at no cost to anyone.

    As for the rich people letting us all starve to death as a result. The book also makes a good case for why that won’t happen. You have to imagine that rich people would be able to keep all of their property and wealth if they chose, and the AI robots will be capable of providing the rest of us with great homes and nothing but leisure time. You’d have to think the rich people would say no to that, even though it would be no skin off their nose. Or you have to say why and how good people would let them do that. (The vast majority of people are good)

    I believe the naive notion is that in a world of such abundance, which is surely coming, rich people would let us starve to death or relegate us to horrible lives when it would be no skin off their nose.

    I’ve been called naive by 911 truthers and free mason conspiracy theorists. I consider being told I am the one who is naive about this to be quite similar.

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  23. Massimo Post author

    Markk,

    As I said in the OP, the idea is to differentiate, not eliminate. While Android is a Google thing, it is actually used differently by different phone companies, diffusing the effect. Not so for the iPhone. And privacy is, frankly, the least of my concerns. I object to any single company becoming that influential. But if you can suggest alternatives to both iPhone and Android I’m all ears.

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  24. Massimo Post author

    Garth,

    You are free to believe in salvation coming from technology and the charity of the ultrarich. History makes different predictions.

    And isn’t it funny that salvation is always, conveniently, a few decades away?

    The fact that truthers told you that you are naive doesn’t mean you are not. Even broken clocks are right twice a day.

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  25. brodix

    Socratic,

    Lol. Most of my job history has been in family businesses, including with my wife. When you share the bed with your business partner, it’s always on.

    That said, I don’t know that my own experience can apply for a lot of people, as I did grow up in a situation where robots haven’t taken the jobs, horse racing mostly, but now farm work on a local estate/stable/used equipment dealer/once a year race track/etc.

    If I have any advice, if would probably be to follow Robin’s example and work towards stronger communal relations. Robots are not going to replace people being people. A lot of people make a living bullshitting, so it does get thick and heavy sometimes. Garth, take heed.

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  26. labnut

    Massimo,
    Once, of course, we get back a semblance of democracy by prohibiting corporate (or other special interest) contributions to political campaigns.

    Yes, that is the essential starting point. Followed by severely limiting corporate lobbying. All of this will allow changes to the tax regime that will punish excess earnings sufficiently that corporate greed is no longer so appealing. This will open the way for other measures, like a single-payer healthcare system.

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  27. Markk

    Massimo,

    “But if you can suggest alternatives to both iPhone and Android I’m all ears.”

    Microsoft has given up, but did you know there are a handful of Linux kernels you could install on your phone? Plus, Android is open source, so you can rewrite it to suit your needs.

    Back in the real world: No, I can’t. Which just demonstrates the problem you’re talking about.

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  28. davidlduffy

    “an alternative for Google Maps” – OpenStreetMap and OSMand for directions is good (more complete for certain uses: cycling and walking). Disadvantage – OSM defaults to the native script for maps, which was annoying in China, although one could search for names in the roman alphabet.

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